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clearing he turned over to my father and

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bah Loompa I was getting you back for on

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adding the middle name yeah well that's

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that's a custom on my show to add the

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middle name so it sounds like you're

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adopting that you also did a bit of

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which we did on a show a lot of the kind

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of a Seinfeld hello at the beginning oh

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this show and just listening to your

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object was 300 feet away that's pretty

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the distance so you can't really make

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a picture of it are you aware of that I

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things Roger Marsh when he posts his

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stories typically he is posting them

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when they're posted onto the MUFON

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out there now what will happen and it

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witness and perhaps get some drawings

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a report and submit it that could take a

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month - a long period of time they like

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that the reports to be completed within

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90 days so it can take some time and

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back and look to see what reports were

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thing so perhaps in the future if this

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after investigation proves to be remain

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an unknown object that he'll get some

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drawings or something like that but thus

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included yeah I'm always interested in

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the different shaped craft when

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something you know is unusual compared

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one of those and it can be hard though I

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night also you know everybody sees this

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the kind of a starlight effect where you

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those can be illusions right right so

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what else is happening what's happening

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Skrillex you heard of this dude oh yeah

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haircut and I first heard about Skrillex

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party in Malibu and that there were lots

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of stars there so I was like what the

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heck who is this guy turns out he's an

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electronic dance music guy who's really

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into UFOs and aliens and stuff and

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really related to alien contact or

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terror aliens in this dream and somehow

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satellites now maybe it was from maybe

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he was in a UFO flying around and he

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looked out the window and said hey that

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looks cool like that so he actually came

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up with this idea from a dream yeah from

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a dream about alien somehow he doesn't

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go into detail but this is information

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that was written on a website called PS

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FK that keeps up on technology and it's

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based off of something that Google just

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released that they worked with Skrillex

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with Google released some Android phone

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cases and with the phone cases you get

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your phone live images from satellites

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so pretty cool I mean I'm that's a good

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idea for a wallpaper I think oh it also

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comes with an app where you get Skrillex

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music you get the album before it comes

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out all of this cool Skrillex stuff if

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Skrillex is really into aliens like I

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said so he has lots of alien imagery in

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his artwork so it's kind of cool and

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yeah he Travis said that at the last

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birthday party he had that Giorgio

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tsoukalos was there let's see who else

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Corey Feldman great Craig Robinson I

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don't know who that is Tony Hawk he's a

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skateboarder guy Ryan Cabrera I'm not

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sure who that is Gary Busey everybody

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knows he is he's nuts as can be I love

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the guy and Tara Reid oh yeah

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from American baby boy oh is that right

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now he's in sharknado you know Skrillex

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that seems up that's a real good alien

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name if you think about it it is that's

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a really good point and maybe I don't

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know where the name derives from maybe

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from the alien dream could be but you

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know I mean how do we know you know with

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the haircut and everything how do we

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know he's not an alien

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probable in fact if we ask the Roswell

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slides people I'm sure they'll be able

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to find some goofball scientists who

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will be able to claim that Skrillex is

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an alien as long as they can do it from

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a photo if we send up a photo of

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Skrillex zing yeah all right so what's

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the last story today the last story has

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to do with your girlfriend oh she is an

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alien I sent a picture to the Roswell

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people and no actually it does because

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about this on my show but as to do with

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a Russian UFO video so the UK media

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media picked up on this Russian UFO

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and you know they post it without doing

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research because they're really terrible

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at doing investigative about journalism

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recent because it did go up on YouTube

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and said Russian UFO 2015 but if they

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wouldn't have done a little bit of

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research it would have found that this

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furthermore that the UFOs in this video

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2012 and there's some other videos

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posted there as well so although the

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video isn't from 2015 it's a very

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interesting video it does show these

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lights these these points of light and

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like Twilight and they're kind of in a

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cluster floating up there in the air in

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all of these videos and so you could see

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those in our story so it's kind of weird

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there's people who are adamant that

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these are flares some people have

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suggested Chinese lanterns I'm kind of

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thinking I could see how they might be

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flares but you made some arguments as

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how to why they might not be yeah well

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first of all there's no way they're

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Chinese lanterns because they're just

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way too light they're super grade and

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then the other argument I made is that

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well one I didn't think of at the time

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is why were they staying so still

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there's absolutely no fall in them do do

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new type of technology flares stay in

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one place or do they actually float

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toward the ground

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well here's the thing and I've got video

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that I posted with this story that I've

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taken up flares because I used to see

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flares a lot here by my home in the

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Goldwater range the same area where the

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players were supposedly dropped at 10:00

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p.m. the night of the Phoenix lights for

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some reason but they do when they're

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really far off like these are like

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Goldwater is like 60 80 miles away from

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me and surprisingly you see these things

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just like in this video super bright but

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they're so far away and I guess they're

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on parachutes you don't see flame you

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don't see smoke

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you don't see parachutes and they don't

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seem to be dropping at all they seem to

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be just still there in the air so I

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think they drop it's such a low rate

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that they don't appear to be dropping at

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all unless you have some sort of

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reference point something on the ground

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next to them which often you don't when

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they're in the air so yeah they can look

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like they're standing still okay well

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they're most likely flares I I have to

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admit that you know was kind of puzzling

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to me a couple things are puzzling one

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is yes the ones in st. Petersburg look

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exactly like them and would they

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actually drop flares over st. Petersburg

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that's another question and then you

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know these were like almost daylight or

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early Twilight and and that just was

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kind of puzzling you didn't see any

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plane they did go out around three

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quarters away through and then there was

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another sighting over to the left he's

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actually one of them is yelling and

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Russian looked to the left and you could

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barely see some over there and then the

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ones to the right come back exactly in

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the same place and they appear to be in

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exactly the same cluster after they went

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out so it's to me it's kind of puzzling

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maybe it is just flares but if so you

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know there was just a couple of those

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questions I had yeah I was feeling

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pretty confident that they were flares

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early on because I've seen them in

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clusters like this before but you

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certainly gave me some things to think

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about like when you mentioned you know

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youryour girlfriend translated the video

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and was able to hear those things but

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also that it's Twilight and that is very

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strange because it seems that flares

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aren't gonna be very effective at

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Twilight

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to light up the ground so I don't know

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why they would be doing that unless

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maybe they're just practicing the

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dropping of them and not using them to

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light the ground so I don't know they

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are kind of weird people should

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definitely take a look at the videos I

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think they're pretty striking and it's

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interesting that they should be

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happening

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in these populated areas that's right

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yeah I do suggest to take a look at the

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video because it is intriguing and you

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can find that in our show notes on

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podcast UFO which will link over to open

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minds TV

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it and thanks a lot Alejandro my

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pleasure and we'll be talking to you

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twice next week again and hanging

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everyone we're gonna be right back after

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Jeremie Korbel how are you I'm good

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Martin how're you doing good

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I always worried that someone's gonna

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forget to turn off their mute thanks for

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joining us yeah I was uh I was excited

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to meet you out in Phoenix back in

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February I watched a film you did and I

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thought you did an excellent job on it

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in many ways it's very artistically

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filmed and everything about it so I

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thought you did a really good job and

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I'm excited to see what else you do as

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time goes on why don't you fill in the

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listening audience of actually who you

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are and but more and not more

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importantly but just as importantly as

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what intrigued you in the beginning of

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this subject yeah okay but that's a

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pretty easy question answer so basically

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I am Jeremy Korbel I started into this

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field probably the the same way anybody

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starts just out of sheer curiosity

389
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specifically the moment I remember is I

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was 13 years old and somehow I heard on

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the radio the voice of bob lazar John

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Lear jeha and George Knapp and that was

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an amazing moment because that was back

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in 1989 when Bob Lazar was coming

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forward and telling his story and at

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that time the way he described the

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propulsion system

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it was so counterintuitive to what we

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know of traditional or classic

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propulsion systems that it literally I

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mean I like to say it weaponized my

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curiosity it did it made me want to know

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more it expanded my imagination and

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allowed me to kind of look into this

405
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because in a way it just made sense if

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things are traversing or objects are

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traversing space time gravity

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amplification or

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the warping of gravity seems like the

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logical way in which that would be

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happening so even as a young kid this is

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how it all started for me was just

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simply hearing a story I mean I didn't

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have a sighting or something powerful

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like that I wish I have but I had him

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but more than anything it was just the

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way that the propulsion system was

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described that was absolutely

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fascinating so that's how I started that

420
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is not the path that I took for the

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majority of my life this is a more

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recent endeavor for me where I've

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dedicated you know my livelihood my life

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and all of my time to this for the last

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six years so six years and so you you're

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a fairly young in 1989 when you and did

427
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you actually hear that show live I don't

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remember how I heard the show

429
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specifically but I just remember hearing

430
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it and I remember being about 13 years

431
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old and it was something that I remember

432
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affected me I mean it was really you

433
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know you go around running around

434
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telling your friends oh my gosh I

435
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finally heard something that makes sense

436
00:20:20,340 --> 00:20:18,460
I think there's probably et life

437
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visiting the planet and people are like

438
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you know back at that time people are

439
00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:24,640
like what are you talking about and

440
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nowadays you know everybody's hip with

441
00:20:31,410 --> 00:20:29,530
the exoplanets in the Goldilocks zone I

442
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mean the skeptics are pretending like

443
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they made it up themselves it's it's

444
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it's absolutely incredible the paradigm

445
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has shifted within human consciousness

446
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to the point where what we were laughing

447
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:44,950
about you know 20 years ago is commonly

448
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accepted by the majority of people on

449
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the planet today it makes you wonder

450
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what the second question that will be

451
00:20:57,450 --> 00:20:54,700
answered in 20 years is you know I have

452
00:21:00,780 --> 00:20:57,460
theories but yeah it's a different world

453
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:00,790
now you know it's a lot of times when

454
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the subject comes up and it did recently

455
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:06,970
when I was talking to an executive about

456
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a whole different matter I said I had to

457
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do a show he said what show and I said

458
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well it's on UFOs and he looks at me and

459
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he said you believe in those things and

460
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I said well I don't know if belief in

461
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I said something is going on I just

462
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don't know what it is and I don't think

463
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anyone really knows 100% sure what it is

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you know that type of thing but I like

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that when a lot of people say you

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believe in like it already

467
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it's like connotation that they're gonna

468
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you know it's a bad thing right it's

469
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actually it's it's amazing that's that's

470
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why I've called my you know my

471
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investigative series extraordinary

472
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:50,320
beliefs it was essentially two kind of

473
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real people in saying okay if you want

474
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to call it a belief then we'll call it

475
00:22:00,000 --> 00:21:56,889
an extraordinary belief I no longer have

476
00:22:02,850 --> 00:22:00,010
the luxury of disbelief but the point is

477
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it's a ruse because it's either true or

478
00:22:09,509 --> 00:22:06,429
it's not true this has nothing to do

479
00:22:12,990 --> 00:22:09,519
with belief there is either craft that

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is the that's visiting Earth from

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another intelligence from somewhere

482
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other than Earth itself or it's not true

483
00:22:23,639 --> 00:22:20,500
it's one or the other you know it's not

484
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a matter of belief it's fact or it's

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fiction all of the evidence is is is

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extremely weighty that it is fact I mean

487
00:22:36,210 --> 00:22:34,330
you know you talk to anybody who's had

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access to military programs I mean

489
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current active military individuals at

490
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the highest ranking levels that I've

491
00:22:46,350 --> 00:22:43,710
ever had contact with have told me

492
00:22:48,299 --> 00:22:46,360
deadpan straightforward not for me to

493
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,309
share specifics with anybody else but

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have told me yes we are being engaged

495
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and we track these on a daily basis with

496
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a multitude of different types of radar

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00:23:02,669 --> 00:22:59,740
and it's just a fact our airspace is

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being you know traversed from vehicles

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of highly advanced origin that are

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non-terrestrial and non-human and if

501
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that's true I mean I'm exterior

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mysterious is you I want to know more

503
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,389
you know yeah yeah and I you know you

504
00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:19,360
wonder I think a lot of times you know

505
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in my lifetime I would love to know

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actually the answer if there is an

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answer and one of the things I've said a

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number of times and I kind of repeat

509
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myself a little bit here and there but

510
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it might be some

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thing that we haven't even thought of

512
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yet you know this whole absolutely I am

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with you on that a hundred percent the

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the deeper I go into this the the more I

515
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realize that this cosmic game or

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whatever it is that's going on it is not

517
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as simple as we make it it cannot simply

518
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be you know craft from other

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intelligences that live in other solar

520
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systems within the Milky Way galaxy or

521
00:24:06,210 --> 00:24:03,759
beyond I mean it just cannot it's too

522
00:24:09,749 --> 00:24:06,220
bizarre it's too strange its

523
00:24:11,789 --> 00:24:09,759
unfathomable so I'm with you you know

524
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:11,799
I'm kind of like go old-school Jacques

525
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ballet style there is something else

526
00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:18,129
going on most likely it seems that there

527
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is a I didn't even know if I'd call it

528
00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:23,019
an education program like like ballet

529
00:24:30,029 --> 00:24:26,529
would say but it's some sort of it

530
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:30,039
appears to me that whatever is going on

531
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:33,129
is far beyond vehicles coming from other

532
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:34,809
star systems that's a lot of comfortable

533
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:37,090
thing because I'm as lost as you yeah

534
00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:39,129
yeah now let's talk quickly about your

535
00:24:43,259 --> 00:24:40,990
website we'll bring that up a few times

536
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:43,269
but I also like the name of it

537
00:24:49,740 --> 00:24:46,809
extraordinary beliefs calm yeah and on

538
00:24:54,499 --> 00:24:49,750
that website one of the favorite spots I

539
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,509
found today was your favorite UFO quotes

540
00:24:58,919 --> 00:24:56,799
because a lot of it yeah a lot of them I

541
00:25:03,299 --> 00:24:58,929
had never heard before or seen before

542
00:25:06,659 --> 00:25:03,309
and interesting quotes and they date all

543
00:25:09,629 --> 00:25:06,669
the way back you know to the 40s and you

544
00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:09,639
know there's presidents there's how long

545
00:25:11,999 --> 00:25:10,990
did it take you to compile that list

546
00:25:14,369 --> 00:25:12,009
it's a great list

547
00:25:17,249 --> 00:25:14,379
thanks man um you know what that was

548
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:17,259
just over a long time and you know I've

549
00:25:21,779 --> 00:25:19,809
tried to kind of validate there's so

550
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:21,789
many quotes on there that I had that

551
00:25:27,419 --> 00:25:24,610
were amazing but I just I could not

552
00:25:29,129 --> 00:25:27,429
trace them back so I would say you know

553
00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:29,139
the majority of what you find there I've

554
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:31,870
been able to kind of validate in some

555
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:35,529
way you know I reserve the right to take

556
00:25:39,180 --> 00:25:37,809
any out of there but the majority you

557
00:25:40,529 --> 00:25:39,190
know I did work on them I didn't just

558
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:40,539
like copy and paste from the internet

559
00:25:45,570 --> 00:25:43,510
you know I would find quotes try to find

560
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,580
the origins of them so

561
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:47,440
I can stand behind most of them but I'm

562
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:50,410
willing to be wrong but yeah what was

563
00:25:56,490 --> 00:25:53,170
your favorite quote hey let's say it's

564
00:25:59,970 --> 00:25:56,500
one I've heard before and oh the twining

565
00:26:02,430 --> 00:25:59,980
the twining memo I always wonder is that

566
00:26:05,790 --> 00:26:02,440
the first one did the UFO phenomenon

567
00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:05,800
being reported is something real and not

568
00:26:11,660 --> 00:26:08,260
visionary or fictitious that's general

569
00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:11,670
Nathan twining and that was from a

570
00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:16,150
memorandum you know that yeah I mean so

571
00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:17,320
they said that one actually have a date

572
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:19,720
for I I feel like that as a real quote

573
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:22,960
but a lot of these are pretty you know

574
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:24,610
do your research and please audience

575
00:26:31,860 --> 00:26:27,730
listening tell me if I missed a good one

576
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:31,870
or if one of them is not right yeah yeah

577
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:35,770
yeah then the Flying Saucer situation is

578
00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:39,250
not at all imaginary you know night that

579
00:26:44,190 --> 00:26:42,070
was all the way back in 1847 well I mean

580
00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:44,200
look this this phenomenon that we call

581
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:46,360
the UFO phenomenon which i think is a

582
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:49,450
really like narrow way to look at it but

583
00:26:54,420 --> 00:26:51,610
but this experience that we're having as

584
00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:54,430
humans where there appears to be other

585
00:26:58,890 --> 00:26:56,590
intelligences communicating with

586
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,900
humanity I mean it dates back to the

587
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:00,880
beginning of recorded human history I

588
00:27:05,370 --> 00:27:03,130
mean we all know that we've all been

589
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:05,380
exposed to ancient alien theories and

590
00:27:09,210 --> 00:27:07,030
all of this I mean even you know

591
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:09,220
Christopher Columbus has documented in

592
00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:12,370
his journals you know us owes which are

593
00:27:16,530 --> 00:27:13,870
not talked about but were some of the

594
00:27:18,750 --> 00:27:16,540
first sightings ever recorded

595
00:27:21,450 --> 00:27:18,760
so I mean most of the planet is water

596
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:21,460
and if these things usually and actually

597
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:24,610
use gravitational propulsion systems

598
00:27:30,030 --> 00:27:26,530
then it wouldn't matter if they were

599
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:30,040
traversing water or air or up in outer

600
00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:31,810
space it would be the same to them

601
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:32,980
because they're creating an artificial

602
00:27:38,610 --> 00:27:36,730
field so if any of this is true you know

603
00:27:41,310 --> 00:27:38,620
the place I would hide is you know where

604
00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:41,320
most of the planet is which is water so

605
00:27:47,370 --> 00:27:43,750
you SOS because it's hard to study is

606
00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:47,380
one of the most interesting you know

607
00:27:52,890 --> 00:27:50,470
parts of this phenomenon yes recently I

608
00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:52,900
was looking for a guest actually I

609
00:27:56,580 --> 00:27:55,150
haven't had anyone really talk on that

610
00:27:58,290 --> 00:27:56,590
subject I know there are a few people

611
00:27:59,010 --> 00:27:58,300
out there but are you looking to get

612
00:28:00,540 --> 00:27:59,020
again

613
00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:00,550
on the show that we'll talk exclusively

614
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:04,750
about that my fascinating yeah my mentor

615
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:07,030
George Knapp and you know I with a lot

616
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:08,770
of gratitude I'm able to call my mentor

617
00:28:13,770 --> 00:28:11,710
you know he has helped me incredibly as

618
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:13,780
he likes to say separating you know the

619
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:15,370
wheat from the chaff and trying to

620
00:28:21,270 --> 00:28:18,490
figure out what the the pitfalls are how

621
00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:21,280
to you know that in individuals and

622
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:22,990
information I mean he's straight up

623
00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:26,770
called Nellis Air Force Base you know to

624
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,390
help you know figure something out for

625
00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:31,120
me I mean this guy's amazing so I model

626
00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:33,460
my my investigations after him and you

627
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:35,230
know one day I hope that I'm half as

628
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:39,510
good as him but um you know essentially

629
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:43,210
yeah he had somebody on about us owes on

630
00:28:47,730 --> 00:28:45,910
Coast Coast the other night and it was

631
00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:47,740
fascinating I mean the guy wrote a whole

632
00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:50,980
book on us owes oh I'm gonna have to

633
00:28:54,540 --> 00:28:53,080
check out the data but it was just on

634
00:28:55,710 --> 00:28:54,550
you know probably wouldn't work but

635
00:28:58,530 --> 00:28:55,720
anyway I

636
00:29:02,580 --> 00:28:58,540
I agree about George Knapp I think he's

637
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:02,590
top shelf being really I really respect

638
00:29:13,950 --> 00:29:05,290
him highly respect him he has almost

639
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:13,960
been on the show like ten times now this

640
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:16,240
guy I've seen him in action you know he

641
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:18,370
is the busiest man on the planet but you

642
00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:20,760
know the thing about George Knapp is

643
00:29:28,890 --> 00:29:26,680
that he has the absolute 100% look we're

644
00:29:33,330 --> 00:29:28,900
talking about a two-time Peabody

645
00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:33,340
award-winning 24 ameed journalist you

646
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:35,260
know for excellence in journalism and

647
00:29:39,870 --> 00:29:37,690
those stories which we're not about UFOs

648
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:39,880
I mean maybe maybe one of them was but

649
00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:42,370
the point is he is an incredible

650
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:44,440
investigative journalist to begin with

651
00:29:50,850 --> 00:29:47,410
and the fact that he will openly and

652
00:29:54,030 --> 00:29:50,860
honestly investigate all of these you

653
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:54,040
know phenomena and report on them I mean

654
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,410
I don't know if you can you can cuss on

655
00:30:05,550 --> 00:29:58,480
your show but he's got you know he's a

656
00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:05,560
strong dude so we're getting since we're

657
00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:08,500
talking about George Knapp I watched

658
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:12,280
your film last night Lazar on your on

659
00:30:17,030 --> 00:30:12,610
your

660
00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:17,040
website I rented it and watched it and I

661
00:30:25,169 --> 00:30:22,630
and I also read your blog on the I don't

662
00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:25,179
know if it was a confrontation or at the

663
00:30:29,820 --> 00:30:26,950
conference I missed it anyway I had to

664
00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:29,830
come back early I guess it was the night

665
00:30:38,850 --> 00:30:32,380
wasn't a debate it was like in a panel

666
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:38,860
discussion but anyway Bob Lazar has been

667
00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:42,640
one of those cases that and I like I

668
00:30:47,150 --> 00:30:44,140
just told you how I thought about George

669
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:47,160
Knapp and I know George Knapp basically

670
00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:51,250
stands behind the Lazar story but

671
00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:54,160
there's a lot of questions when he

672
00:30:57,390 --> 00:30:56,169
stands behind what he's reported on if

673
00:31:00,090 --> 00:30:57,400
we have course there's a lot of

674
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:00,100
questions let's take a step back for a

675
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,410
second just let's start from the

676
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:04,620
beginning sir first of all there's no

677
00:31:10,919 --> 00:31:07,110
confrontation there there is a

678
00:31:13,530 --> 00:31:10,929
legitimate debate that is going on right

679
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:13,540
now about the Lazar story which there

680
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:17,679
should be a healthy debate that debate I

681
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:20,260
guess is between Stanton Friedman and

682
00:31:27,390 --> 00:31:24,010
myself I feel that over the last 25

683
00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:27,400
years that Stanton has decided to ignore

684
00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:29,950
evidence that has been brought forward

685
00:31:37,289 --> 00:31:33,280
because it suits his engineered ideas

686
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,299
now I'm this is not bad-mouthing Stanton

687
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,760
this is just simply my perspective I

688
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:41,200
think that there's more to the story

689
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,140
than is being accepted and being

690
00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:46,480
propagated just because Stanton goes out

691
00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:49,990
there and is unopposed doesn't make him

692
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:52,840
right you know he's not judge jury and

693
00:31:57,539 --> 00:31:55,390
executioner for all things Lazar he's a

694
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:57,549
guy that spent a little time looking at

695
00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:57,760
it

696
00:32:04,169 --> 00:32:01,240
but as we know George Knapp has spent 25

697
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:04,179
years relentlessly digging up the story

698
00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:07,690
if you spend the smallest amount of time

699
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:10,390
looking at the actual words that Bob

700
00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:12,910
Lazar has said and trying to understand

701
00:32:18,690 --> 00:32:16,030
what he truly conveyed then you you may

702
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:18,700
have a different opinion on just all you

703
00:32:23,549 --> 00:32:20,650
know all of a sudden shutting out the

704
00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:23,559
idea that he's telling you the truth I

705
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:25,630
find there's more misconceptions about

706
00:32:29,780 --> 00:32:26,250
the Lazar

707
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:29,790
story than any other UFO story on the

708
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:33,030
planet so mm-hmm just just to get to the

709
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,810
basics of it

710
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:36,000
yeah Rendlesham forest I think is one of

711
00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:38,100
them that's not too far away from from

712
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:39,750
that either just that there's a lot of

713
00:32:46,460 --> 00:32:42,930
controversy in that so one of the the

714
00:32:49,790 --> 00:32:46,470
one of the things that I thought was

715
00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:49,800
very condemning I guess I would say and

716
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:53,070
but I I can't I can't find any

717
00:32:59,300 --> 00:32:55,050
information on it I heard it somewhere

718
00:33:01,570 --> 00:32:59,310
at one time so it's not you know good

719
00:33:05,390 --> 00:33:01,580
evidence but what I had heard was that

720
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:05,400
bob was being interviewed and someone

721
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:08,490
said to him well Bob I went to MIT what

722
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:11,580
is the what is the square right outside

723
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:14,370
of MIT and everyone knows it's Kenmore

724
00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:18,690
Square and Bob Lazar did not know and if

725
00:33:22,790 --> 00:33:20,670
you went to MIT you step out of the door

726
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:22,800
and there's Kenmore Square right there

727
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:25,710
so that's the only thing that I mean

728
00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:27,570
that's one of the things I've heard that

729
00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:29,430
I think huh how could he possibly have

730
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:32,940
gone there okay so so I've never heard

731
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,250
that story and again it's like

732
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:36,720
secondhand third-hand like right you

733
00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:38,220
know here's the deal

734
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:41,220
on stage at the International UFO

735
00:33:46,550 --> 00:33:44,760
Congress 2015 I mean I I went up on

736
00:33:48,650 --> 00:33:46,560
stage I had no idea what they wanted me

737
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,660
to talk about it they're whistleblowers

738
00:33:52,790 --> 00:33:50,880
I was like okay let's talk sit next to

739
00:33:54,890 --> 00:33:52,800
Stan you know who I respect greatly you

740
00:33:57,290 --> 00:33:54,900
know he's a nice dude and all of a

741
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,300
sudden I realize oh okay this is what

742
00:34:02,480 --> 00:33:59,460
they want me to talk about right and so

743
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:02,490
the thing is I pulled out of Stan for

744
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:04,110
the first time ever he's been saying for

745
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:07,050
25 years that Bob Lazar cannot answer

746
00:34:13,850 --> 00:34:11,129
the most fundamental scientific or

747
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:13,860
physics-based questions and I thought

748
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:17,159
that was unbelievably misleading because

749
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:21,270
I mean bob has has written the most

750
00:34:26,540 --> 00:34:23,970
incredible scientific emails to me ain't

751
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:26,550
no basically you know debunking some of

752
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:29,370
my stuff you know so it's amazing to me

753
00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:31,110
that someone would say that so I kind of

754
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,750
asked Stan like have you ever had an

755
00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:36,000
in-depth conversation you know with Bob

756
00:34:44,330 --> 00:34:39,630
Lazar the answer was no Stan Freeman has

757
00:34:46,580 --> 00:34:44,340
net bob lazar he's never met him he

758
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:46,590
claims to have like a conversation for

759
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:48,300
like a minute now look this is very

760
00:34:52,220 --> 00:34:50,010
different than a man like George Knapp

761
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:52,230
who spent 25 years communicating and

762
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:54,270
trying to get to the bottom of this so

763
00:34:58,220 --> 00:34:56,280
you know I just kind of fell dissolute

764
00:35:01,790 --> 00:34:58,230
that was a huge moment for me that was

765
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:01,800
like I realized on stage that what we

766
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,260
were being told by an authority within

767
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:07,440
the UFO world was based upon third hand

768
00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:10,710
knowledge he admitted on stage that he

769
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,540
came up with that idea that Bob couldn't

770
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:14,640
answer basic scientific questions

771
00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:17,970
because you know he heard from somebody

772
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:20,760
that when they were running a radio show

773
00:35:26,350 --> 00:35:23,910
that there was a scientist kind of

774
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:26,360
hidden on the telephone listening and

775
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:28,770
that person on the radio asked

776
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,680
afterwards to that scientist person is a

777
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:34,560
real scientist and that person said let

778
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:35,790
me just say he's not gonna have his day

779
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:37,890
job tomorrow I mean just look at the lek

780
00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:39,540
look at the debate or whatever you want

781
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:41,640
to call it it was a huge moment I just

782
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:45,000
realized it's all hearsay you know look

783
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:48,270
bottom line is believe Bob or don't

784
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:51,440
believe Bob I don't think he cares

785
00:35:59,480 --> 00:35:55,110
what's more important is what did he say

786
00:36:02,780 --> 00:35:59,490
and can we entertain the idea possibly

787
00:36:06,620 --> 00:36:02,790
the outlandish idea that Bob is Thomas

788
00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:06,630
the truth so so so I hear you I hear

789
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:09,390
what you're saying well what I said is

790
00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:12,060
this you know very similar because it's

791
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:14,940
like either I was told that and a

792
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:16,740
conference or something but I don't you

793
00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:18,780
know I looked before this show tonight I

794
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:20,430
looked online to see if I could find

795
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:23,210
anything about that and I found nothing

796
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:26,280
okay let's get to the the crux of the

797
00:36:33,590 --> 00:36:29,570
matter like like with wood Stan okay I

798
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:33,600
am not actively trying to figure out if

799
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:36,390
Bob went to MIT I actually don't care

800
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:38,910
what girl he dated I don't care what

801
00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:41,310
kind of cereal he likes I want to know

802
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:47,150
did bob lazar work at or somewhere near

803
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:50,690
area 51 that a sub base called s4

804
00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:53,370
back-engineering alien spacecraft

805
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:55,950
attempting to that's what I want to know

806
00:37:01,100 --> 00:36:58,650
so the first question I need to do is I

807
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:01,110
need to figure out did he work at Los

808
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:05,040
Alamos that could be a beginning to that

809
00:37:10,850 --> 00:37:07,410
if he worked at Los Alamos in a

810
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:10,860
scientific capacity as a physicist it

811
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:14,370
then makes sense to me that he could

812
00:37:19,610 --> 00:37:17,070
possibly be cherry picked to work on

813
00:37:22,850 --> 00:37:19,620
some project out on the Nellis Air Force

814
00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:22,860
Base I mean that to me has always been

815
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:27,750
key so if I can prove that if I can say

816
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:31,650
yes he worked at Los Alamos in a

817
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:34,680
scientific capacity as a physicist then

818
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:37,500
from there I can move forward other

819
00:37:43,610 --> 00:37:41,640
stuff like whatever I mean go ahead and

820
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:43,620
find out what zero he likes or when he

821
00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:45,480
went to school I don't know if it's true

822
00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:50,190
there's no way for me to prove that what

823
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:53,400
I can what what are hoping to prove is

824
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,950
that he worked at Los Alamos and it

825
00:38:02,030 --> 00:37:58,320
would be great to prove if you worked in

826
00:38:04,610 --> 00:38:02,040
some capacity through Nellis my my

827
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:04,620
brother-in-law worked at Los Alamos for

828
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:07,170
years and my sister-in-law lived there

829
00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:11,280
forever and we eighties in the 80s yep

830
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,670
and I was there back I was back in Los

831
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:16,800
Alamos visiting lived with them for

832
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:17,490
almost a year

833
00:38:25,070 --> 00:38:20,310
like in 78 79 something like that oh wow

834
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,080
anyway so I said to my my brother in law

835
00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:26,880
who loves cars and everything I said hey

836
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,460
did you hear about this jet car and I

837
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:31,200
figured for sure he would know about a

838
00:38:38,180 --> 00:38:33,300
jet car in Los Alamos it's not a huge

839
00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:38,190
town he didn't know about it but but you

840
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:40,920
can find there are newspaper clippings

841
00:38:45,590 --> 00:38:43,020
all right yeah give me a break man to

842
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:45,600
locate the Los Alamos monitor okay here

843
00:38:50,330 --> 00:38:48,570
an internal magazine for the scientists

844
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,340
of weather as you said it's a small

845
00:38:57,290 --> 00:38:52,800
community so you got to monitor the long

846
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,300
los alamos monitor front page is Babas

847
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:00,240
are identified as a physicist at Los

848
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,480
Alamos with his jet car you know look

849
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:06,000
I've talked to a number of people that

850
00:39:08,670 --> 00:39:06,730
knew Bob

851
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:08,680
los alamos now they won't go on the

852
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:11,440
record because they because they want to

853
00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:15,010
stay employed I want I would say that

854
00:39:20,190 --> 00:39:17,740
they all won't go on the record because

855
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:20,200
I do have an announcement coming up in

856
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:23,290
June on coast but but but I will say

857
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:25,570
that the majority of people won't go on

858
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:27,970
the record but what do we have we have

859
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:31,450
front page of Los Alamos monitor Bob

860
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,270
Lazar identified as a physicist with a

861
00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:37,119
picture of him at his jet car we have a

862
00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:39,340
phone book that George Knapp happened

863
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:41,790
right right and the phone book lists

864
00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:45,790
Robert Lazar now Stan likes to make this

865
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,270
huge deal that it has km after his name

866
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:51,520
Kurt Meyer so oh he could have been a

867
00:39:57,150 --> 00:39:54,850
janitor hired by Kurt Meyer to you know

868
00:40:02,340 --> 00:39:57,160
work at Los Alamos do you know how

869
00:40:04,859 --> 00:40:02,350
ridiculous that is every I mean almost

870
00:40:08,540 --> 00:40:04,869
everybody that works at Los Alamos as

871
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:08,550
you probably know with your brother is a

872
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:11,890
subcontractor I have met dozens and

873
00:40:19,020 --> 00:40:14,950
dozens of subcontractors for from Los

874
00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:19,030
Alamos so this whole idea of separating

875
00:40:25,070 --> 00:40:21,670
you know Lazar because he was you know

876
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:25,080
hired by Kurt Meyer is absolutely

877
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:29,680
sleight-of-hand ridiculous hmm well you

878
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:32,710
know it's it's one of these things I

879
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,450
remember having a conversation maybe

880
00:40:40,349 --> 00:40:37,119
four years ago with someone that's not

881
00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:40,359
really in UFO field or you know they

882
00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:43,660
have a curiosity of it and Bob Lazar

883
00:40:47,970 --> 00:40:45,580
name came up and we were talking about

884
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:47,980
it and and I said well you know no one

885
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,470
can find any you know academic records

886
00:40:56,250 --> 00:40:52,960
or you know there's a lot of puzzling

887
00:40:59,220 --> 00:40:56,260
things and he says and he basically said

888
00:41:01,320 --> 00:40:59,230
to me well how do you know it wasn't all

889
00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:01,330
wiped out when he started talking you

890
00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:04,200
know I mean so even people like on the

891
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,540
outside of the UFO field are curious as

892
00:41:13,859 --> 00:41:11,440
wondering if something like that may

893
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:13,869
have happened I can't say either way

894
00:41:17,550 --> 00:41:16,450
yeah I mean look look you can't just go

895
00:41:20,010 --> 00:41:17,560
ahead I've done it

896
00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:20,020
go ahead and just like call up Louis

897
00:41:27,870 --> 00:41:23,260
ask him who they're employ good go ahead

898
00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:27,880
and good luck it doesn't work like that

899
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:31,660
and you know I have no claim and in here

900
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:33,730
like you know that I know he did this or

901
00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:36,130
that I'm just as puzzled by you at

902
00:41:41,070 --> 00:41:37,960
certain things it's just that I'm

903
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:41,080
looking to keep my eye on the prize if I

904
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:44,800
can find a colleague if I can prove in

905
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:47,920
some way that other people saw Bob at

906
00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:50,650
Los Alamos during that time I mean

907
00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:53,260
that's what I'm looking to do because

908
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,940
you know I have talked to a number of

909
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:56,800
people who have worked with him there at

910
00:41:59,360 --> 00:41:58,210
that time but they're not willing to go

911
00:42:03,660 --> 00:41:59,370
on the record

912
00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:03,670
most most or not by the way the listener

913
00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:05,500
out there the live listener you can call

914
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:07,660
in the show if you'd like and I'm facing

915
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:09,430
three different computers sometimes I

916
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:10,480
didn't catch a call the other night

917
00:42:15,450 --> 00:42:12,670
until it was too late it is six oh three

918
00:42:17,820 --> 00:42:15,460
nine six seven four OH three oh if you'd

919
00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:17,830
like to call in we also have a message

920
00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:22,630
board and I just saw a message up there

921
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:25,990
I mean a question up there for you but

922
00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:29,290
oh yes I know what it was Bob Lazar

923
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:32,470
worked at s4 for what wasn't it didn't

924
00:42:37,770 --> 00:42:34,530
he claim was only for a couple of weeks

925
00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:37,780
yeah it was a short amount of time okay

926
00:42:41,790 --> 00:42:40,060
so yeah I mean I don't know if your

927
00:42:45,060 --> 00:42:41,800
listeners understand that the basics of

928
00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:45,070
the story but you know look when he was

929
00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:48,040
hired to go out there there was a period

930
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,200
of time when he was getting you know

931
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:52,240
confirmed through all of his security

932
00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:53,710
clearances and I'll just say allegedly

933
00:42:57,900 --> 00:42:55,480
for the whole thing like this you know

934
00:42:59,970 --> 00:42:57,910
you believe what you want to believe you

935
00:43:02,040 --> 00:42:59,980
know I've had personal confirmation at

936
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,050
the highest possible level I'd no longer

937
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:04,480
have the luxury of disbelief but you the

938
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:07,510
listener as Bob would say under the

939
00:43:13,650 --> 00:43:10,900
scientific method you are obligated not

940
00:43:16,410 --> 00:43:13,660
to believe him because he cannot you

941
00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:16,420
know produce evidence that you require

942
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:19,270
but I personally let's let's pretend

943
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:22,450
that I have had evidence okay Bob worked

944
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:25,800
out there for a short amount of time

945
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:28,840
during that time as he described at the

946
00:43:32,349 --> 00:43:31,570
2015 international UFO conference right

947
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:32,359
or Congress

948
00:43:37,539 --> 00:43:34,730
he described it when he worked out there

949
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:37,549
he it was a process of him getting his

950
00:43:44,349 --> 00:43:41,599
proper you know certifications or you

951
00:43:47,799 --> 00:43:44,359
know security clearances and during that

952
00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:47,809
time they bring him out you know moment

953
00:43:51,489 --> 00:43:49,430
by moment he never really knew they

954
00:43:54,249 --> 00:43:51,499
bring him out he'd be read into this or

955
00:43:57,309 --> 00:43:54,259
that and he'd start working in little

956
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,319
bits of capacity but then he admitted on

957
00:44:04,420 --> 00:43:59,839
stage there were personal problems in

958
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:04,430
his life that caused him to be what they

959
00:44:10,839 --> 00:44:08,690
would consider unstable and he said on

960
00:44:15,329 --> 00:44:10,849
stage his wife was cheating on him

961
00:44:18,670 --> 00:44:15,339
and it was actually the the the people

962
00:44:21,009 --> 00:44:18,680
you know at the base that we're kind of

963
00:44:21,729 --> 00:44:21,019
handling him that said hey your house is

964
00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:21,739
not in order

965
00:44:24,940 --> 00:44:23,630
we've been tapping your phone and we

966
00:44:27,489 --> 00:44:24,950
heard about the flight instructor and

967
00:44:28,839 --> 00:44:27,499
you gotta get your house in order that's

968
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:28,849
the first time he had ever heard about

969
00:44:33,220 --> 00:44:31,730
it poor guy do you know they actually

970
00:44:36,579 --> 00:44:33,230
said they were tapping his phone now

971
00:44:39,309 --> 00:44:36,589
that's what he claimed I'm it's it's

972
00:44:41,049 --> 00:44:39,319
more than that's what he claimed if you

973
00:44:44,829 --> 00:44:41,059
really get into the story with with

974
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:44,839
George Knapp and with John Lear and with

975
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:47,930
Bob Lazar Jean Huff it's undeniable at

976
00:44:52,359 --> 00:44:50,660
the time they were listening they wanted

977
00:44:56,229 --> 00:44:52,369
to make sure that his life was stable

978
00:44:59,039 --> 00:44:56,239
even George Knapp had a number of people

979
00:45:02,499 --> 00:44:59,049
that came forward after the Lazar Story

980
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:02,509
six of them specifically that we're

981
00:45:08,769 --> 00:45:04,249
going to give him more information and

982
00:45:11,470 --> 00:45:08,779
were threatened and backed out so yes

983
00:45:14,410 --> 00:45:11,480
their phones were tapped and yes they

984
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:14,420
were being followed and yes they were

985
00:45:18,819 --> 00:45:16,609
told by the people who were following

986
00:45:21,279 --> 00:45:18,829
them later George Knapp actually met a

987
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:21,289
couple of them so they were under

988
00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:23,930
surveillance and you know look it was a

989
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:26,150
weird time they all say that

990
00:45:30,849 --> 00:45:28,730
and yeah that's what happened is

991
00:45:31,989 --> 00:45:30,859
essentially they were listening and he

992
00:45:34,089 --> 00:45:31,999
had to sign something that said

993
00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:34,099
basically everything you know that you

994
00:45:40,930 --> 00:45:36,950
do is under scrutiny and they found out

995
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:40,940
about the affair and told him before he

996
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:42,890
knew it's really sad he admitted that

997
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:44,690
I'm not talking out of school he

998
00:45:47,110 --> 00:45:45,530
admitted that

999
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:47,120
stage if you just watch this lecture

1000
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:50,810
from the 2015 international UFO Congress

1001
00:45:55,090 --> 00:45:53,210
yeah I'm gonna have to get Alejandro to

1002
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:55,100
send me that oh you got to watch it man

1003
00:46:00,900 --> 00:45:57,290
it's it's epic bob lazar with his black

1004
00:46:05,410 --> 00:46:00,910
suit and red sneakers i mean come on

1005
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:05,420
guys yeah I think I think he's his looks

1006
00:46:09,580 --> 00:46:07,850
have actually improved with age you know

1007
00:46:11,770 --> 00:46:09,590
it's like a real cool gentleman now you

1008
00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:11,780
know you know I you know he's a

1009
00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:13,880
conundrum I don't claim to you know to

1010
00:46:21,340 --> 00:46:16,430
be to be as a BFF or anything that would

1011
00:46:23,980 --> 00:46:21,350
be jean huff but but I'd say look it for

1012
00:46:26,020 --> 00:46:23,990
what it's worth which probably for most

1013
00:46:30,010 --> 00:46:26,030
people not that much

1014
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:30,020
I believe Bob you know I've spent time

1015
00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:32,690
enough on this case and I've had enough

1016
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:35,720
face time and and been you know I've

1017
00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:39,440
been in rooms were between him and John

1018
00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:41,270
Lennon George Knapp and Jean Hoff and

1019
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:43,670
Bob Lazar yeah one person didn't know

1020
00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:45,650
that I was in the room let's say and

1021
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,960
they were talking over the phone and I

1022
00:46:52,930 --> 00:46:49,520
could hear it on speaker like these guys

1023
00:46:55,330 --> 00:46:52,940
are not lying what they claimed happened

1024
00:46:58,060 --> 00:46:55,340
to them happen to them you know whether

1025
00:47:01,810 --> 00:46:58,070
your mind can accept that or not as the

1026
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:01,820
listener that's on you but for what it's

1027
00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:06,170
worth you know I believe Bob well you

1028
00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:10,670
know I understand that because when

1029
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:13,190
you're in like for instance I I've been

1030
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:15,050
face to face with Travis Walton many

1031
00:47:24,690 --> 00:47:22,730
times and also Jim Weiner and I don't

1032
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:24,700
know if you know heard of the allagash

1033
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:30,170
incident but also Charlie faults I've

1034
00:47:35,830 --> 00:47:32,890
talked to these people face-to-face and

1035
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:35,840
you know I'm completely a hook line and

1036
00:47:41,470 --> 00:47:38,510
sinker I believe their stories you know

1037
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,480
and I think you have to you if you're

1038
00:47:47,530 --> 00:47:43,280
facing someone you're talking to them

1039
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,540
and I mean you have to know if that

1040
00:47:51,610 --> 00:47:49,040
person is telling the truth I believe

1041
00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:51,620
that yeah I mean look you do your best I

1042
00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:54,020
mean you know the whole thing I I do all

1043
00:47:58,839 --> 00:47:55,369
my interviews in person

1044
00:48:00,940 --> 00:47:58,849
that people to the core you know I you

1045
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:00,950
know for example just to give you an

1046
00:48:03,579 --> 00:48:02,569
example there's a couple whistleblowers

1047
00:48:05,710 --> 00:48:03,589
that have come to me alleged

1048
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:05,720
whistleblowers and you know one of them

1049
00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:07,910
I just straight up didn't believe so I

1050
00:48:12,910 --> 00:48:11,150
spent an entire weekend you know doing

1051
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:12,920
this filming with a prominent

1052
00:48:17,859 --> 00:48:14,630
investigator you know putting them on

1053
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:17,869
film I never saw let a a frame of that

1054
00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:19,369
footage you know come to light because

1055
00:48:23,230 --> 00:48:21,380
frankly I just didn't believe him and

1056
00:48:27,370 --> 00:48:23,240
it's no big secret I told Alejandro on

1057
00:48:29,890 --> 00:48:27,380
stage you know who was but the the point

1058
00:48:31,569 --> 00:48:29,900
is is that you know as an investigator

1059
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:31,579
and if you know we're I'm a

1060
00:48:35,799 --> 00:48:33,650
self-proclaimed investigator I just like

1061
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:35,809
basically you know I've found myself in

1062
00:48:41,230 --> 00:48:39,710
position where I had great access and

1063
00:48:43,210 --> 00:48:41,240
I've been you know my camera has been my

1064
00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:43,220
passport into the mysteries of the

1065
00:48:47,170 --> 00:48:45,230
universe it's very exciting but

1066
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:47,180
basically you have to bet your sources

1067
00:48:53,019 --> 00:48:49,730
and if you think they're talking a whole

1068
00:48:54,999 --> 00:48:53,029
bunch of BS then it is your duty to not

1069
00:48:56,529 --> 00:48:55,009
put that out into the world or to give

1070
00:48:58,900 --> 00:48:56,539
them any you know energy that's gonna

1071
00:49:01,989 --> 00:48:58,910
help them you know sell their BS you

1072
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:01,999
know about disclosure or whatever it is

1073
00:49:07,539 --> 00:49:04,130
that they're trying to sell you based on

1074
00:49:10,930 --> 00:49:07,549
fear it's your job not to help propagate

1075
00:49:13,089 --> 00:49:10,940
that BS and that's yeah that's how I

1076
00:49:14,979 --> 00:49:13,099
feel man well you know I've had a few

1077
00:49:16,479 --> 00:49:14,989
people on the show like in the middle of

1078
00:49:21,099 --> 00:49:16,489
the show all of a sudden I'm not feeling

1079
00:49:23,950 --> 00:49:21,109
it and all I can do is is you know maybe

1080
00:49:25,569 --> 00:49:23,960
question a question or two and then you

1081
00:49:28,029 --> 00:49:25,579
know let the listener make up their own

1082
00:49:29,710 --> 00:49:28,039
mind but if you think my listeners are

1083
00:49:37,210 --> 00:49:29,720
going to let you say what you just did

1084
00:49:40,450 --> 00:49:37,220
and not say who that person is I'm just

1085
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:40,460
saying that you know people need to use

1086
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:44,089
the rational mind you know do not you

1087
00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:47,450
know do not support people that prey

1088
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:50,900
upon your fear the the whole thing is is

1089
00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:52,910
that you know I personally believe like

1090
00:49:59,559 --> 00:49:55,910
you know that my partner Ruben Langdon

1091
00:50:02,559 --> 00:49:59,569
he was the unsung hero of the Citizen

1092
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,569
hearing Ruben Langdon was the reason you

1093
00:50:07,890 --> 00:50:04,640
know as far as a you know production

1094
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:07,900
standpoint that that all happened and I

1095
00:50:14,130 --> 00:50:10,510
you probably know like so Reuben and I

1096
00:50:18,359 --> 00:50:14,140
have been fighting to get really high

1097
00:50:21,299 --> 00:50:18,369
quality edited versions of the Citizen

1098
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:21,309
hearing testimony out to the public as

1099
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:23,890
best we can it's been an uphill fight

1100
00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:27,520
and but we've done it man we have done

1101
00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:29,230
it you know if you go to Citizen hearing

1102
00:50:36,690 --> 00:50:33,220
org you will be able to see all of the

1103
00:50:39,630 --> 00:50:36,700
testimony in HD with multiple cameras

1104
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:39,640
and it's done it's beautiful

1105
00:50:43,890 --> 00:50:42,010
it took an army to get that done you

1106
00:50:46,289 --> 00:50:43,900
know don't get me wrong it took it took

1107
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:46,299
everybody to get that done but but

1108
00:50:51,539 --> 00:50:49,210
Reuben Langdon is the unsung hero and we

1109
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:51,549
are proud to announce that you can go

1110
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:54,730
and watch the entire testimony now for a

1111
00:51:00,059 --> 00:50:57,520
very reasonable price and every dollar

1112
00:51:02,730 --> 00:51:00,069
that comes into that we haven't gotten

1113
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:02,740
paid in years you know the whole point

1114
00:51:07,859 --> 00:51:04,720
is that we're gonna you know put out a

1115
00:51:09,779 --> 00:51:07,869
documentary film about you know some of

1116
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:09,789
the primary investigators within this

1117
00:51:15,059 --> 00:51:12,910
field so that that's the bottom line it

1118
00:51:16,890 --> 00:51:15,069
doesn't matter about other people it

1119
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:16,900
doesn't matter about you know what

1120
00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:19,930
people think about disclosure you know

1121
00:51:25,140 --> 00:51:22,660
acknowledgement is here man and and if

1122
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:25,150
you just listen to the testimony and you

1123
00:51:32,970 --> 00:51:30,640
just watch the 40 hours or 30 hours

1124
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:32,980
whatever it is of testimony you will be

1125
00:51:37,710 --> 00:51:34,839
influenced and you will be better

1126
00:51:39,390 --> 00:51:37,720
educated and that's the point so it's

1127
00:51:42,059 --> 00:51:39,400
not about bad-mouthed than anybody it's

1128
00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:42,069
about getting information out there I

1129
00:51:47,339 --> 00:51:44,980
think I I think it was just yesterday or

1130
00:51:49,950 --> 00:51:47,349
their day before I got that email that

1131
00:51:52,829 --> 00:51:49,960
the DVDs are ready isn't that right oh

1132
00:51:54,539 --> 00:51:52,839
oh yeah yeah they've been ready yes of

1133
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:54,549
the D that's right so the the actual

1134
00:51:59,609 --> 00:51:57,000
physical DVDs we have a limited edition

1135
00:52:01,710 --> 00:51:59,619
we had to print those because that's

1136
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:01,720
kind of was our original campaign was

1137
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,970
that we were gonna deliver these DVDs to

1138
00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:05,920
people and yes absolutely you can buy

1139
00:52:11,549 --> 00:52:08,920
the physical DVDs online but we also

1140
00:52:12,779 --> 00:52:11,559
made it available streaming which you

1141
00:52:14,609 --> 00:52:12,789
know it's really the future everybody

1142
00:52:16,490 --> 00:52:14,619
can just watch it on their iPhone watch

1143
00:52:19,529 --> 00:52:16,500
it on their computer at their leisure

1144
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:19,539
but yes we also do have physical copies

1145
00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:21,760
that we can now mail out to people

1146
00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:24,220
and man I mean we're still in the red it

1147
00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:27,400
was difficult to do all this and I don't

1148
00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:29,260
want to bore you with those details but

1149
00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:33,220
but the success the success moment right

1150
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:33,670
now

1151
00:52:39,060 --> 00:52:36,930
is that the average typical everyday

1152
00:52:42,990 --> 00:52:39,070
person that is interested to learn more

1153
00:52:46,350 --> 00:52:43,000
can hear testimony but astronauts people

1154
00:52:49,050 --> 00:52:46,360
within the FAA former military former

1155
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,060
police former intelligence and you can

1156
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:50,880
hear them stand up in front of five

1157
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:53,650
congressional members or ex

1158
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:55,090
congressional members and one senator

1159
00:52:59,550 --> 00:52:58,330
senator gravel and you can hear their

1160
00:53:02,730 --> 00:52:59,560
testimony under oath

1161
00:53:04,290 --> 00:53:02,740
I mean it is a powerful thing the

1162
00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:04,300
message board there's a question are

1163
00:53:10,350 --> 00:53:07,150
these the exact same DVDs that were sent

1164
00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:10,360
to the you know the congressional people

1165
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:13,420
recently these are 500 of them sent out

1166
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:14,800
I believe or something these are

1167
00:53:22,860 --> 00:53:20,170
actually way higher quality those were a

1168
00:53:27,060 --> 00:53:22,870
kind of rush job that were that were

1169
00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:27,070
actually I had no hand in that neither

1170
00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:29,590
did my partner Reuben Lane and that was

1171
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:32,350
unfortunate we were so close to having

1172
00:53:39,090 --> 00:53:35,410
this professionally edited pieces done

1173
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:39,100
so so what you will be receiving in

1174
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:43,030
these like online or and also we have

1175
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:45,130
been in full Spanish translation by the

1176
00:53:49,530 --> 00:53:47,770
way there's another whole set online but

1177
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:49,540
what you will be receiving in these

1178
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:51,490
night sessions and in these testimonies

1179
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:55,330
are professionally edited beautiful

1180
00:54:03,480 --> 00:53:58,960
copies that again the unsung hero Ruben

1181
00:54:06,450 --> 00:54:03,490
Langdon made sure were perfect Wow now I

1182
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:06,460
in our two I want to talk a little bit

1183
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:09,250
about I think it's called patience 17

1184
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:12,130
yeah that's a baby yeah that coming up

1185
00:54:17,490 --> 00:54:15,370
and that has Roger Leir I got to see

1186
00:54:20,370 --> 00:54:17,500
that sneak preview of that out in

1187
00:54:23,130 --> 00:54:20,380
Phoenix but speaking of the name Leah a

1188
00:54:25,530 --> 00:54:23,140
whole different spelling have you met

1189
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:25,540
John you've met John Lear obvious awe

1190
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:28,570
and have I met John okay so we're not on

1191
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:30,850
the same page here okay check it out so

1192
00:54:34,270 --> 00:54:33,370
how this all started for me I told you

1193
00:54:36,970 --> 00:54:34,280
was kind of here

1194
00:54:41,290 --> 00:54:36,980
you know the Lazar you know we're now

1195
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:41,300
okay so the very first frame of film

1196
00:54:47,470 --> 00:54:45,410
that I ever filmed as a filmmaker I went

1197
00:54:50,620 --> 00:54:47,480
out after three years trying to get a

1198
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:50,630
hold of John where finally he called me

1199
00:54:54,310 --> 00:54:53,119
back and he's like Jeremy I hear you've

1200
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:54,320
been trying to get ahold of me and I'm

1201
00:54:58,660 --> 00:54:55,760
thinking yeah I've had intelligence

1202
00:55:00,339 --> 00:54:58,670
officers I've had you people call you

1203
00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:00,349
from every why haven't you called me

1204
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:01,670
back it was incredible

1205
00:55:06,910 --> 00:55:04,130
so he's like alright come on over so I

1206
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,920
come over to his house and I mean this

1207
00:55:10,990 --> 00:55:08,720
was like five years ago or something and

1208
00:55:13,180 --> 00:55:11,000
I was like I wanna make a film on you

1209
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:13,190
John I want to hear what you're just I

1210
00:55:17,530 --> 00:55:15,250
want proof of the you know

1211
00:55:19,780 --> 00:55:17,540
extraterrestrial visitors so you know I

1212
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:19,790
sit down in his house and I look at him

1213
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:22,160
and for three days I mean the dude was

1214
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,000
like silent he'd look at me I was like I

1215
00:55:31,060 --> 00:55:28,640
was staring down the barrel of his cigar

1216
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:31,070
you know he's like he wouldn't even

1217
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,440
acknowledge me unless I asked the

1218
00:55:41,290 --> 00:55:35,359
question if my question was stupid he

1219
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:41,300
just looked at me like questions like

1220
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,570
flew for the CIA like you know I cut it

1221
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:46,640
you know he had some wild theories and I

1222
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,530
was a jiu-jitsu fighter I mean I wasn't

1223
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,720
like super scared but it was like you

1224
00:55:56,620 --> 00:55:52,880
know intimidated you know so basically

1225
00:55:59,140 --> 00:55:56,630
that was my intro into ufology is you

1226
00:56:02,380 --> 00:55:59,150
know the The Godfather of conspiracy

1227
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:02,390
John Lear so I I'm happy to report that

1228
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:04,730
I love him like a grandfather you know

1229
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,520
that we've become you know good friends

1230
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:09,440
on a good day sometimes he gets super

1231
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:11,690
pissed at me because he feels I don't

1232
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:14,000
agree with everything he agrees with but

1233
00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:17,510
but I love the guy and man has does he

1234
00:56:23,650 --> 00:56:19,940
have some powerful theories and although

1235
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:23,660
I don't you know subscribe to all of

1236
00:56:27,550 --> 00:56:24,170
them

1237
00:56:31,390 --> 00:56:27,560
the things I haven't had a Bilal 'day

1238
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:31,400
twit he has said I mean wow what an

1239
00:56:36,250 --> 00:56:33,920
incredible enlightening experience to

1240
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:36,260
know John Lear I have been making a film

1241
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:38,960
on John Lear called immaculate deception

1242
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:41,170
which is far beyond a film now

1243
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:45,870
essentially it is an archive a man's

1244
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:49,710
and life and you know he's a pioneer you

1245
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:52,710
know he is a cowboy he was a renegade

1246
00:56:58,940 --> 00:56:56,310
and I feel like I've captured that over

1247
00:57:03,470 --> 00:56:58,950
these maybe about five years now filming

1248
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:03,480
and I decided instead of doing just a

1249
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:05,690
short you know stairs like a normal film

1250
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:09,450
immaculate deception I'm gonna release a

1251
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:13,260
series of pieces on John because I find

1252
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:14,400
him to be one of the most intriguing

1253
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:16,650
humans on the planet

1254
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:20,490
now did I see something on YouTube that

1255
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:23,130
you filmed with him in his basement or

1256
00:57:29,090 --> 00:57:26,210
something you may there's a little

1257
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:29,100
things slip out here and there but I've

1258
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:33,960
got when I gave a presentation just

1259
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:37,740
before George Knapp and Bob I did

1260
00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:40,730
premiere for the first time ever the

1261
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:44,070
trailer or the teaser I'd say for the

1262
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:47,210
work that I've been doing with John Lear

1263
00:57:53,660 --> 00:57:50,520
so that's a little bit of that has kind

1264
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:53,670
of snuck out onto the web but you will

1265
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:56,970
be seeing a lot more very soon okay I

1266
00:58:01,220 --> 00:57:59,520
had him on the show oh I don't know a

1267
00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:01,230
couple years ago and it was really funny

1268
00:58:07,340 --> 00:58:03,630
because um we set a time and everything

1269
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:07,350
and I want to say it was it was a

1270
00:58:12,020 --> 00:58:10,290
landmark birthday the day after he was

1271
00:58:16,730 --> 00:58:12,030
extremely hungover

1272
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:16,740
and and he's like he kept like stumbling

1273
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:19,050
and I think at the time I was doing some

1274
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:21,480
I was doing the podcast only so I was

1275
00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:23,490
able to edit and I kept telling him

1276
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:25,380
don't worry I'll edit it out I'll edit

1277
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:28,110
it out let's you know just to get clear

1278
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:30,510
John doesn't drink since the moment that

1279
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:33,570
I've known him about five years ago he

1280
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:36,660
hasn't had a drop of alcohol so most

1281
00:58:41,660 --> 00:58:39,450
likely what you were experiencing was

1282
00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:41,670
that John has you know pain from time to

1283
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:44,760
time John you know look when he was 16

1284
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:48,210
years old he crashed an airplane and

1285
00:58:53,450 --> 00:58:51,510
boom almost every bone in his body I

1286
00:58:56,740 --> 00:58:53,460
mean he didn't he was not supposed to

1287
00:58:58,990 --> 00:58:56,750
survive you know he was saved somehow so

1288
00:59:01,720 --> 00:58:59,000
you know this man has been through more

1289
00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:01,730
than you or I probably he's got grit

1290
00:59:07,210 --> 00:59:04,550
we'll just put it that way so sometimes

1291
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:07,220
with his health you know he's 100% there

1292
00:59:11,290 --> 00:59:09,650
and he's on other times he's not but

1293
00:59:13,660 --> 00:59:11,300
what you experience definitely was not

1294
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:13,670
alcohol okay well that was wrong for me

1295
00:59:18,460 --> 00:59:16,640
to say that but something he did tell me

1296
00:59:21,150 --> 00:59:18,470
that he was up most the night there's

1297
00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:21,160
something he told me that he he was like

1298
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:22,310
exhausted

1299
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,290
yeah well probably he was researching

1300
00:59:28,990 --> 00:59:26,240
when John is a very very active

1301
00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:29,000
researcher with every ounce that he has

1302
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:32,150
he puts in and just one more time kind

1303
00:59:36,849 --> 00:59:34,609
of in John's defense although I do not

1304
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:36,859
agree again with all of the things that

1305
00:59:43,089 --> 00:59:39,310
he says just cuz I can't validate them

1306
00:59:47,980 --> 00:59:43,099
but but what I will say is that you know

1307
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:47,990
he I have been in his presence when

1308
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:50,329
people travel across the United States

1309
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:53,210
or further internationally just to have

1310
01:00:00,250 --> 00:59:56,089
audience with him and he has been privy

1311
01:00:02,770 --> 01:00:00,260
to information that you or I will never

1312
01:00:04,569 --> 01:00:02,780
be privy to I mean it's it's amazing the

1313
01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:04,579
people that just like show up on his

1314
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:08,510
doorstep and want to tell him oh it's

1315
01:00:14,410 --> 01:00:11,210
amazing and I was able to film that over

1316
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:14,420
these years and once in a while you know

1317
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:15,890
you kind of get a glimpse into the world

1318
01:00:23,140 --> 01:00:19,130
he lives in and man I mean he's tireless

1319
01:00:23,770 --> 01:00:23,150
Wow now his father Bill Lee or I guess

1320
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:23,780
it is

1321
01:00:30,130 --> 01:00:28,010
you know inventor of the Learjet do you

1322
01:00:31,809 --> 01:00:30,140
and this is a question I never asked him

1323
01:00:33,790 --> 01:00:31,819
when I was talking to him but do you

1324
01:00:36,790 --> 01:00:33,800
happen to know if he had any thoughts on

1325
01:00:39,309 --> 01:00:36,800
UFOs did you ever ask him that yeah well

1326
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:39,319
I probably asked you know John Lear

1327
01:00:43,569 --> 01:00:41,569
every question under the rainbow at this

1328
01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:43,579
point you know I mean I've spent many a

1329
01:00:49,420 --> 01:00:45,950
nights at his home trying to understand

1330
01:00:52,089 --> 01:00:49,430
the man and his philosophies so yes I

1331
01:00:54,790 --> 01:00:52,099
have now you know bill Lear John's

1332
01:00:57,250 --> 01:00:54,800
father was the inventor of the Learjet

1333
01:00:59,920 --> 01:00:57,260
as we know you know by the way his

1334
01:01:02,890 --> 01:00:59,930
company was what is now known as

1335
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:02,900
Motorola because it was the 8-track

1336
01:01:06,370 --> 01:01:05,569
stereo also that he invented so like

1337
01:01:08,260 --> 01:01:06,380
yeah

1338
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,270
so--but Bill there was an incredible guy

1339
01:01:13,239 --> 01:01:10,400
now John will it

1340
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:13,249
that you know bill his father and

1341
01:01:17,999 --> 01:01:15,890
himself they didn't get along you know

1342
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:18,009
they didn't get along in a lot of ways

1343
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:22,249
but that that question if bill Lear had

1344
01:01:28,539 --> 01:01:25,970
anything to do with ufology well it was

1345
01:01:32,249 --> 01:01:28,549
late in John's life when he found out

1346
01:01:35,890 --> 01:01:32,259
that in fact bill was one of the primary

1347
01:01:38,380 --> 01:01:35,900
contractors working on anti-gravity and

1348
01:01:41,979 --> 01:01:38,390
that sort of stuff so that as the story

1349
01:01:49,739 --> 01:01:41,989
goes his father actually was in some way

1350
01:01:52,690 --> 01:01:49,749
connected to the you know gravitational

1351
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:52,700
experimentation with in with an

1352
01:01:56,829 --> 01:01:54,890
aerospace Wow

1353
01:01:58,569 --> 01:01:56,839
okay well actually that's it for the

1354
01:02:00,969 --> 01:01:58,579
first hour if you want to hang in

1355
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:00,979
everyone just hang in there and we'll be

1356
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:31,130
all right we're back with our two and

1357
01:02:37,050 --> 01:02:34,170
we're back here with Jeremy Korbel and

1358
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:37,060
in our two I wanted to talk a little bit

1359
01:02:43,230 --> 01:02:40,240
about well the other films that you've

1360
01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:43,240
done and what you've got coming up so do

1361
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:44,920
you want to just briefly go over what

1362
01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:49,440
what's happening yeah that sounds great

1363
01:02:57,330 --> 01:02:53,430
okay so essentially if you go to

1364
01:03:00,060 --> 01:02:57,340
extraordinary beliefs calm you can see

1365
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:00,070
the three minute plus little teaser on

1366
01:03:07,950 --> 01:03:03,010
that front page and that teaser kind of

1367
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:07,960
shows you images and an idea of what the

1368
01:03:13,050 --> 01:03:09,940
in total investigative series is about

1369
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:13,060
but if you look you know on the front

1370
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:15,370
page of the website as well there are

1371
01:03:23,220 --> 01:03:18,640
twelve individual film properties so

1372
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:23,230
most of which are about UFOs or in some

1373
01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:27,130
way connected to ufology they are all

1374
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:30,100
developing some of them are out right

1375
01:03:34,050 --> 01:03:31,930
you can watch them right now like Las

1376
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:34,060
Vegas it was actually interestingly

1377
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:36,850
enough and funny enough it was my first

1378
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:39,610
meeting with John Lear i sat in his home

1379
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:43,090
I came to film him I was already and yet

1380
01:03:49,530 --> 01:03:45,090
he wouldn't let me turn on the camera

1381
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:49,540
it's like vetting me you know so for

1382
01:03:55,470 --> 01:03:51,760
example Las Vegas you can watch right

1383
01:03:58,260 --> 01:03:55,480
now and so on extraordinary beliefs

1384
01:04:00,330 --> 01:03:58,270
there are 12 film properties currently

1385
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:00,340
that are all in different stages of

1386
01:04:06,660 --> 01:04:03,970
development the first one that I think

1387
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:06,670
you'll be able to see will be patient

1388
01:04:12,990 --> 01:04:09,520
seventeen and that was about dr. Roger

1389
01:04:16,860 --> 01:04:13,000
Leir different spelling different person

1390
01:04:20,370 --> 01:04:16,870
he is for those who don't know you know

1391
01:04:23,730 --> 01:04:20,380
the only individual on the planet who

1392
01:04:27,420 --> 01:04:23,740
was removing alleged offworld implants

1393
01:04:31,860 --> 01:04:27,430
and he was doing that right here out of

1394
01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:31,870
California and that was a film that I

1395
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:33,880
was very reluctant to do but I ended up

1396
01:04:39,299 --> 01:04:37,599
following patients 17 as we call him

1397
01:04:42,509 --> 01:04:39,309
through his whole experience of

1398
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:42,519
childhood abductions into the final

1399
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:44,559
surgical removal of this anomalous

1400
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:46,209
material that was found in his leg that

1401
01:04:51,479 --> 01:04:48,089
we had researched

1402
01:04:54,859 --> 01:04:51,489
isotopically broad-spectrum elemental

1403
01:04:58,140 --> 01:04:54,869
analysis everything and that film

1404
01:04:59,880 --> 01:04:58,150
I'll hint that you might be able to

1405
01:05:04,169 --> 01:04:59,890
watch it at the end of the month if you

1406
01:05:05,729 --> 01:05:04,179
listen in the radio okay we had some

1407
01:05:07,669 --> 01:05:05,739
questions that came up on I'm having a

1408
01:05:11,849 --> 01:05:07,679
little trouble with the question

1409
01:05:14,579 --> 01:05:11,859
question message board right now but so

1410
01:05:18,209 --> 01:05:14,589
Raj earlier you obviously got to meet

1411
01:05:21,630 --> 01:05:18,219
him as well pardon me we had him on the

1412
01:05:23,759 --> 01:05:21,640
show shortly before he actually passed

1413
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:23,769
away he seems like a real real nice

1414
01:05:29,899 --> 01:05:25,839
gentleman I'm glad you got him before he

1415
01:05:33,899 --> 01:05:29,909
passed a really really special guy okay

1416
01:05:40,949 --> 01:05:33,909
are you familiar with Derrel Sims yes I

1417
01:05:42,419 --> 01:05:40,959
am I met Darryl at the Congress well on

1418
01:05:43,949 --> 01:05:42,429
the message board earlier and I just

1419
01:05:45,209 --> 01:05:43,959
can't seem to get to it they were

1420
01:05:49,259 --> 01:05:45,219
talking about someone that was going to

1421
01:05:54,419 --> 01:05:49,269
take Roger Lear's place as far as

1422
01:05:56,009 --> 01:05:54,429
removing a physical surgeon somebody

1423
01:05:58,499 --> 01:05:56,019
that was gonna kind of care take the

1424
01:06:01,259 --> 01:05:58,509
process I think it was I'm not really

1425
01:06:04,499 --> 01:06:01,269
sure okay well you know as far as a

1426
01:06:07,049 --> 01:06:04,509
physical surgeon I you know look there's

1427
01:06:09,449 --> 01:06:07,059
so much disorganization you know the

1428
01:06:11,759 --> 01:06:09,459
rights to the objects I mean gosh it's

1429
01:06:15,479 --> 01:06:11,769
been a pain in the butt just to be able

1430
01:06:17,999 --> 01:06:15,489
to study you know the object itself

1431
01:06:20,009 --> 01:06:18,009
you know honestly who has custodianship

1432
01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:20,019
of them I'm a little confused myself

1433
01:06:26,059 --> 01:06:23,140
right now but but but really the big

1434
01:06:29,429 --> 01:06:26,069
question you just asked is are people

1435
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:29,439
who believe they have an offworld

1436
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:32,049
implant embedded in their body emitting

1437
01:06:36,409 --> 01:06:34,569
frequency denser than bone that might be

1438
01:06:39,209 --> 01:06:36,419
nanotechnology from another civilization

1439
01:06:41,459 --> 01:06:39,219
you know is anybody gonna take them

1440
01:06:42,149 --> 01:06:41,469
seriously and can they have it cut out

1441
01:06:46,169 --> 01:06:42,159
of their body

1442
01:06:49,950 --> 01:06:46,179
that's your if that's your question you

1443
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:49,960
know the answer to that is contact me

1444
01:06:56,910 --> 01:06:53,530
and I do have a surgeon who has agreed

1445
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:56,920
to to do this it was a my childhood

1446
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:00,880
friends father so you know the question

1447
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:04,930
is can this research continue yes it can

1448
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:08,230
the great thing about dr. Roger Leir was

1449
01:07:11,250 --> 01:07:09,609
that he put people through a

1450
01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:11,260
psychological examination through a

1451
01:07:16,170 --> 01:07:12,550
psychological test

1452
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:16,180
he had them provide him with certain

1453
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:19,150
levels of evidence prior to removal

1454
01:07:23,010 --> 01:07:21,520
prior to him even saying I'm gonna cut

1455
01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:23,020
the body I mean it's not like the first

1456
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:25,089
coat of medicine is do no harm right

1457
01:07:29,070 --> 01:07:25,810
mm-hmm

1458
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:29,080
so I'm not a doctor but I assume it's

1459
01:07:34,980 --> 01:07:32,770
something like that right so yeah so is

1460
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:34,990
it gonna continue I certainly hope so

1461
01:07:41,250 --> 01:07:38,410
now anybody is free to contact me

1462
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:41,260
through my website and you know from

1463
01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:44,290
there if a claim is valid in any way if

1464
01:07:50,220 --> 01:07:46,780
I can prove it anyway there are people

1465
01:07:51,780 --> 01:07:50,230
that want to help so I I hope you know I

1466
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:51,790
hope that people do continue this

1467
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:53,410
research I think it is important I think

1468
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:55,450
you know John Mack head of Harvard

1469
01:08:00,450 --> 01:07:57,730
psychiatry and you know Budd Hopkins

1470
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:00,460
both of whom are passed away now would

1471
01:08:07,490 --> 01:08:03,490
agree if they were here this research is

1472
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:07,500
important the this is not fictitious

1473
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:11,290
this is not a psychological problem that

1474
01:08:17,220 --> 01:08:14,290
something is going on and we should

1475
01:08:20,099 --> 01:08:17,230
investigate sure and I want to go into

1476
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:20,109
one of your films nano man in a minute

1477
01:08:26,370 --> 01:08:22,810
but before that you brought up a really

1478
01:08:29,849 --> 01:08:26,380
good point as it stands right now who

1479
01:08:32,940 --> 01:08:29,859
has the custody of these implants that

1480
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:32,950
were extracted over you know what it was

1481
01:08:43,650 --> 01:08:38,319
a 17 or 18 of them yeah yeah so patient

1482
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:43,660
17 who was the man is featured in my

1483
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:49,600
film was the last implant removal of dr.

1484
01:08:59,880 --> 01:08:56,410
Lear's career and so they're 17 now at

1485
01:09:03,480 --> 01:08:59,890
one time I know that I was working with

1486
01:09:07,140 --> 01:09:03,490
Steve Colburn who was the cuz

1487
01:09:10,020 --> 01:09:07,150
stoyan of these objects and I know I

1488
01:09:13,710 --> 01:09:10,030
believe he had them all I found it very

1489
01:09:16,020 --> 01:09:13,720
difficult in you know to study the

1490
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:16,030
sample from who I now consider a really

1491
01:09:24,860 --> 01:09:20,650
good friend patient 17 but we were able

1492
01:09:27,210 --> 01:09:24,870
to get some basic analysis done on it I

1493
01:09:29,790 --> 01:09:27,220
you know kind of read some internet

1494
01:09:32,370 --> 01:09:29,800
stuff I have no idea to be honest with

1495
01:09:34,620 --> 01:09:32,380
you like I think the patient's own these

1496
01:09:38,340 --> 01:09:34,630
things like it is my feeling that if it

1497
01:09:41,550 --> 01:09:38,350
came out of my body I would say that was

1498
01:09:46,110 --> 01:09:41,560
mine but the thing is I don't know and

1499
01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:46,120
and honestly after 17 removals if you

1500
01:09:52,250 --> 01:09:49,180
have not been able to definitively prove

1501
01:09:55,470 --> 01:09:52,260
something then is this the right path

1502
01:09:58,820 --> 01:09:55,480
you know I don't know but but what I do

1503
01:10:03,080 --> 01:09:58,830
know is that it merits investigation so

1504
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:03,090
all I can say is I encourage whoever has

1505
01:10:10,230 --> 01:10:07,690
custodianship of these 17 alleged

1506
01:10:12,810 --> 01:10:10,240
offworld implants that they just allow

1507
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:12,820
the scientific community to engage these

1508
01:10:20,130 --> 01:10:17,170
implants or to engage these objects you

1509
01:10:23,610 --> 01:10:20,140
know I I don't operate in mystery I

1510
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:23,620
don't operate in secrecy put it on the

1511
01:10:31,020 --> 01:10:27,280
table if it has value it does if it

1512
01:10:33,420 --> 01:10:31,030
doesn't go home have you ever actually

1513
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:33,430
seen one of these objects really really

1514
01:10:38,910 --> 01:10:35,290
close did you were you able to examine

1515
01:10:40,350 --> 01:10:38,920
when making that film I absolutely I was

1516
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:40,360
sitting right there when it got cut out

1517
01:10:44,130 --> 01:10:42,850
I was watched it me tell how much dr.

1518
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:44,140
Leir to put it in his hand

1519
01:10:48,990 --> 01:10:45,760
take it over put it in some tissue

1520
01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:49,000
sample and yeah ship it off to the lab I

1521
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:52,510
actually made a point to pay for the

1522
01:10:59,250 --> 01:10:55,570
broad spectrum elemental analysis and

1523
01:11:01,230 --> 01:10:59,260
isotopic analysis of you know sample

1524
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:01,240
number 17 because I wanted to know for

1525
01:11:07,190 --> 01:11:04,570
my friend what it was is is a piece of

1526
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:07,200
rebar is this nanotechnology you know

1527
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:10,810
from an offworld civilization like so

1528
01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:14,050
yeah I saw it up close and what how did

1529
01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:16,150
the test results come out

1530
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:22,150
we gotta watch move I did watch the

1531
01:11:26,670 --> 01:11:25,330
movie okay so so so you know and you

1532
01:11:29,010 --> 01:11:26,680
just kind of will kind of keep it a

1533
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:29,020
little mysterious here but that you know

1534
01:11:37,070 --> 01:11:34,330
I will say this like everything you're

1535
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:37,080
thinking and more is true this is a

1536
01:11:43,740 --> 01:11:41,490
complicated case you know you can have

1537
01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:43,750
incredible results but then you have to

1538
01:11:51,780 --> 01:11:47,230
scrutinize those results so so you know

1539
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:51,790
I am still today you know the the ending

1540
01:12:00,420 --> 01:11:54,250
of the film for me was frustrating I'm

1541
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:00,430
still questioning what's going on and I

1542
01:12:05,220 --> 01:12:02,560
hope to be able to have access to the

1543
01:12:07,290 --> 01:12:05,230
sample again and I hope to be able to go

1544
01:12:09,780 --> 01:12:07,300
further with this I mean there is a part

1545
01:12:12,510 --> 01:12:09,790
two but we got to get people up to the

1546
01:12:16,110 --> 01:12:12,520
level of part one they need to purchase

1547
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:16,120
the film view the film somehow which I'm

1548
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:18,070
working on I'm working on how to get

1549
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:20,890
this out there will be the small window

1550
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:23,170
of opportunity at the end of June but

1551
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:25,090
but he said I'm trying to get this into

1552
01:12:30,750 --> 01:12:27,130
people's hands so that I can continue

1553
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:30,760
the research now did dr. Leir remove I

1554
01:12:35,130 --> 01:12:32,530
know he was a podiatrist but did he

1555
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:35,140
remove all of these implants or did he

1556
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:38,080
work with another surgery yes so I guess

1557
01:12:43,950 --> 01:12:40,330
as a podiatrist you're kind of limited

1558
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:43,960
to you know cutting defeat right so you

1559
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:45,790
know essentially you have to kind of

1560
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:50,230
outsource other other scalpels right to

1561
01:12:55,950 --> 01:12:51,520
cut into different parts of the body

1562
01:12:58,800 --> 01:12:55,960
patient Seventeen's object was in his

1563
01:13:02,700 --> 01:12:58,810
leg and so that was dr. mattress Yano

1564
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:02,710
that actually you know cut it open but

1565
01:13:09,060 --> 01:13:04,960
dr. Leir is there and you know he's the

1566
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,070
the expert on all of this and you know

1567
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:11,440
that that was his his role so I think

1568
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:14,290
some he cut out and other ones he you

1569
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:16,450
know had dr. matrisciana do it you know

1570
01:13:19,650 --> 01:13:17,920
look who's willing to do it if you pay

1571
01:13:22,380 --> 01:13:19,660
him you know but I have another doctor

1572
01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:22,390
who's willing to donate his time oh wow

1573
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:25,720
well your friend you say is your friend

1574
01:13:29,939 --> 01:13:29,110
and that's patient 17 to me you know

1575
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:29,949
watching the move

1576
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:33,280
in Phoenix I thought he was a very

1577
01:13:41,220 --> 01:13:38,890
believable type of subject that didn't

1578
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:41,230
seemed at all like he would be someone

1579
01:13:44,580 --> 01:13:43,090
that would talk about any type of

1580
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:44,590
abductions or anything

1581
01:13:51,870 --> 01:13:48,449
oh yeah he's he's a straight-up very

1582
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:51,880
intelligent I mean the man six foot nine

1583
01:13:59,070 --> 01:13:55,360
and first of all he wanted science I

1584
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:59,080
mean the guy is like towers over me I

1585
01:14:04,380 --> 01:14:00,880
had to like change my camera angles just

1586
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:04,390
to get the frame but like you know he's

1587
01:14:11,970 --> 01:14:07,840
a very intelligent thoughtful human

1588
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:11,980
being he is a very skilled contractor I

1589
01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:14,650
would even say artisan like you know the

1590
01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:18,190
way that he does construction and he's

1591
01:14:28,530 --> 01:14:24,510
very articulate and he is the absolute

1592
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:28,540
contradiction to what you would think of

1593
01:14:32,340 --> 01:14:30,850
well what I would think of when I when I

1594
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:32,350
was thinking somebody that's telling me

1595
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:33,850
about an abduction I had all these

1596
01:14:37,650 --> 01:14:35,770
preconceived notions in my mind to be

1597
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:37,660
honest with you I did not want to do

1598
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:40,719
this movie you know dr. Leir personally

1599
01:14:45,689 --> 01:14:43,120
was like Jeremy you got to do this movie

1600
01:14:47,370 --> 01:14:45,699
and my friend Reuben Langdon you know

1601
01:14:49,650 --> 01:14:47,380
really kind of I was like throw me in

1602
01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:49,660
coach you know he he put me in as a

1603
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:53,800
producer and I I did not even want to do

1604
01:14:59,490 --> 01:14:56,050
it I told dr. Leir I said look if this

1605
01:15:02,669 --> 01:14:59,500
is BS I mean I'm a serious investigative

1606
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,679
filmmaker I will out you if this is BS

1607
01:15:11,130 --> 01:15:04,960
are you sure you want me to film this

1608
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:11,140
and he says if I there wasn't something

1609
01:15:17,340 --> 01:15:13,690
to it I wouldn't ask you to do it and so

1610
01:15:18,930 --> 01:15:17,350
I was convinced and what really made me

1611
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:18,940
stick with this because really I was

1612
01:15:24,030 --> 01:15:21,040
just thrown into like you know dr. Lior

1613
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:24,040
wanted me to film the surgery okay make

1614
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:27,010
a little film on his surgeries but it

1615
01:15:34,890 --> 01:15:30,910
was meeting patient 17 that really kind

1616
01:15:39,390 --> 01:15:34,900
of turned the tide for me just as you

1617
01:15:42,780 --> 01:15:39,400
said he is a typical he's not what I

1618
01:15:46,190 --> 01:15:42,790
expected you know I don't know what

1619
01:15:52,850 --> 01:15:46,200
expected but but he's a intelligent

1620
01:15:56,460 --> 01:15:52,860
articulate down-to-earth you know he but

1621
01:16:01,170 --> 01:15:56,470
at the same time you can tell that he

1622
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:01,180
has been traumatized by experiences

1623
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:04,960
outside of his control now I will also

1624
01:16:13,140 --> 01:16:10,210
say that I don't think that he

1625
01:16:17,390 --> 01:16:13,150
necessarily associated what was in his

1626
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:17,400
leg with his abductive experiences I

1627
01:16:25,290 --> 01:16:23,530
believe that he he had his abductive

1628
01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:25,300
experiences something that is no doubt

1629
01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:27,430
like he will tell you straight forward

1630
01:16:34,020 --> 01:16:30,910
this is what I experienced but it was

1631
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:34,030
kind of like intimated to him hey well

1632
01:16:39,180 --> 01:16:36,490
this thing in your leg which by the way

1633
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:39,190
was admitting electromagnetic frequency

1634
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:42,970
which is weird may have something to do

1635
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:46,410
with these missing time you know

1636
01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:48,640
abductive experiences we are seeing

1637
01:16:53,310 --> 01:16:51,070
these grays and this whole thing so yeah

1638
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:53,320
he's not the typical guy you'd imagine I

1639
01:16:59,640 --> 01:16:57,130
mean he's very credible he's not lying I

1640
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:59,650
know the guy no how did you know there

1641
01:17:07,620 --> 01:17:02,080
was something in his leg well you know

1642
01:17:10,650 --> 01:17:07,630
he had x-rays he had a lot of pain and

1643
01:17:12,570 --> 01:17:10,660
he was riding this motorcycle and he's a

1644
01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:12,580
motorcycle rider a passionate motorcycle

1645
01:17:16,380 --> 01:17:14,590
rider and he had this all this pain in

1646
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:16,390
his leg so he had it x-rayed I mean it

1647
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:20,650
was like 10 11 years ago and this object

1648
01:17:27,570 --> 01:17:23,410
appeared in the x-ray denser than bone

1649
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:27,580
so it's metallic and you know just it

1650
01:17:32,190 --> 01:17:30,370
was there and the docs were like when

1651
01:17:35,490 --> 01:17:32,200
did you have surgery anything I didn't

1652
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:35,500
have surgery well something's left in

1653
01:17:41,190 --> 01:17:37,840
your leg and and so that kind of just

1654
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:41,200
sat in the back of his mind and then you

1655
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:44,320
know he went to go to you know do a

1656
01:17:51,150 --> 01:17:47,290
construction job and it was the the

1657
01:17:54,060 --> 01:17:51,160
watcher's guys and they basically you

1658
01:17:56,049 --> 01:17:54,070
know asked him he saw something on the

1659
01:17:57,490 --> 01:17:56,059
screen or something like this and

1660
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,500
and they and they asked him and he

1661
01:18:01,209 --> 01:17:59,360
mentioned the thing in his leg and his

1662
01:18:03,729 --> 01:18:01,219
abductive experience is one thing led to

1663
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:03,739
the next and he met dr. Leir and it was

1664
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:06,110
kind of like he was led down this path

1665
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:12,320
now we still again watch the movie but

1666
01:18:20,919 --> 01:18:15,530
it's fascinating I don't know what to

1667
01:18:24,339 --> 01:18:20,929
think right right now question up on the

1668
01:18:27,399 --> 01:18:24,349
message board did you happen to know as

1669
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:27,409
much detail to know what frequency what

1670
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:31,610
frequency the modulation was you know it

1671
01:18:41,049 --> 01:18:35,570
so I I knew nothing I I'll say that I

1672
01:18:44,649 --> 01:18:41,059
was completely naive and an ignorant to

1673
01:18:46,959 --> 01:18:44,659
the entire culture of this implant

1674
01:18:50,109 --> 01:18:46,969
removal or implant

1675
01:18:52,359 --> 01:18:50,119
you know phenomenon

1676
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,369
you know this was not my field of

1677
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:54,800
research I was finding individuals

1678
01:18:59,950 --> 01:18:57,170
within the military or the government

1679
01:19:02,200 --> 01:18:59,960
who or intelligence agencies it would

1680
01:19:05,529 --> 01:19:02,210
they would speak out to me that was my

1681
01:19:08,859 --> 01:19:05,539
focus so this whole thing was not really

1682
01:19:13,180 --> 01:19:08,869
my within the field or the scope of my

1683
01:19:15,790 --> 01:19:13,190
expertise sure now with that said I was

1684
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:15,800
told a number of things we've all heard

1685
01:19:21,879 --> 01:19:19,280
the story that dr. Lear claimed that it

1686
01:19:23,919 --> 01:19:21,889
was at the five megahertz frequency and

1687
01:19:27,580 --> 01:19:23,929
that this is the deep-space frequency

1688
01:19:30,700 --> 01:19:27,590
and it sounds really nice now I have no

1689
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:30,710
idea I really have no idea

1690
01:19:35,890 --> 01:19:33,530
I saw a Gauss meter which I guess

1691
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:35,900
measures electromagnetic frequency like

1692
01:19:42,220 --> 01:19:39,110
we brought it up to my camera I have one

1693
01:19:45,399 --> 01:19:42,230
now it just basically makes a sound okay

1694
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:45,409
so you get electromagnetic frequency you

1695
01:19:53,169 --> 01:19:47,770
know you bring this over the object and

1696
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:53,179
it goes off okay but I have no idea if

1697
01:19:59,950 --> 01:19:56,000
this is truly a frequency from the

1698
01:20:02,290 --> 01:19:59,960
object itself as dr. Leir claimed or if

1699
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:02,300
it's ambient electromagnetic frequency

1700
01:20:09,069 --> 01:20:06,800
again it's not my specialty the claim is

1701
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:09,079
also once you detach it from the body it

1702
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:09,920
shuts off

1703
01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:12,800
you know like as if the body powers it

1704
01:20:21,130 --> 01:20:16,310
can I prove that no am i trying to prove

1705
01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:21,140
that definitely not but the basic idea

1706
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:24,830
is that there is some sort of energetic

1707
01:20:27,700 --> 01:20:27,050
field that surrounds these things like a

1708
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:27,710
beacon

1709
01:20:34,180 --> 01:20:30,650
now dr. Leir claimed that these were

1710
01:20:37,900 --> 01:20:34,190
most likely transmitting on a scalar

1711
01:20:39,850 --> 01:20:37,910
wave frequency which again to me I don't

1712
01:20:41,169 --> 01:20:39,860
really understand what that means and

1713
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:41,179
maybe some of your listeners can

1714
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:42,170
enlighten me

1715
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:45,770
but what we're picking up imagine it

1716
01:20:53,470 --> 01:20:50,000
like this you throw a rock into water

1717
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:53,480
and that's the impact but there's a

1718
01:20:58,060 --> 01:20:56,210
ripple effect and on the shore you can

1719
01:20:59,050 --> 01:20:58,070
pick up the fact that something was

1720
01:21:01,200 --> 01:20:59,060
throwing the water because you get

1721
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:01,210
little waves so maybe what we're

1722
01:21:06,490 --> 01:21:03,920
experiencing kind of like gravity itself

1723
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:06,500
maybe what we're experiencing is some

1724
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:08,810
sort of runoff from a greater frequency

1725
01:21:15,850 --> 01:21:12,050
and that is a reach that is a stretch I

1726
01:21:19,300 --> 01:21:15,860
am theorizing right now all I know is a

1727
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:19,310
is a foreign object was removed from a

1728
01:21:25,209 --> 01:21:22,730
man's leg this object was interrogated

1729
01:21:27,970 --> 01:21:25,219
both with broad spectrum elemental

1730
01:21:31,689 --> 01:21:27,980
analysis and isotopic analysis to try to

1731
01:21:34,780 --> 01:21:31,699
determine its non-terrestrial 'ti or at

1732
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:34,790
rest reality you know I cannot claim

1733
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:37,520
that I have any knowledge more about

1734
01:21:41,370 --> 01:21:38,960
that uh-huh

1735
01:21:43,810 --> 01:21:41,380
one of the questions that comes up

1736
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:43,820
surprisingly is do you happen to know

1737
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:47,570
what blood type patient 17 was I have no

1738
01:21:52,630 --> 01:21:49,370
idea but that is something I will now

1739
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:52,640
ask ya find out if it's Rh negative if

1740
01:21:56,530 --> 01:21:54,110
you would if you want to make a note of

1741
01:21:59,380 --> 01:21:56,540
that because yeah I will be sure it

1742
01:22:03,550 --> 01:21:59,390
seems you know we have someone in the

1743
01:22:05,709 --> 01:22:03,560
chatroom that asks almost every time we

1744
01:22:08,919 --> 01:22:05,719
have someone on that's involved in

1745
01:22:11,169 --> 01:22:08,929
abductions in it and over and over and

1746
01:22:16,860 --> 01:22:11,179
over it's almost like he's making his

1747
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:19,930
what your writer is I'm asking about is

1748
01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:22,610
is a very popular theory actually so I'm

1749
01:22:25,299 --> 01:22:23,510
I do

1750
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:25,309
have some understanding of why he's

1751
01:22:29,919 --> 01:22:28,159
asking that question you know there

1752
01:22:32,319 --> 01:22:29,929
there's a there's a wealth of

1753
01:22:35,500 --> 01:22:32,329
information out there online if you want

1754
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:35,510
to research that I will ask and we'll

1755
01:22:41,799 --> 01:22:38,570
find out that for sure what I'm looking

1756
01:22:44,770 --> 01:22:41,809
forward to is hopefully there'll be this

1757
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:44,780
like seven day window at the end of June

1758
01:22:49,810 --> 01:22:47,449
where you'll be able to view a pre

1759
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:49,820
premier kind of like hey tell me what

1760
01:22:52,660 --> 01:22:51,199
you think about the movie what do you

1761
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:52,670
think about it what can I make better

1762
01:22:57,339 --> 01:22:54,800
you know what what else would you like

1763
01:22:59,379 --> 01:22:57,349
to know if I do a part two that's what

1764
01:23:00,700 --> 01:22:59,389
I'm planning to do so these types of

1765
01:23:01,870 --> 01:23:00,710
questions like there are negative

1766
01:23:03,549 --> 01:23:01,880
that'll be great but what I'm gonna be

1767
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:03,559
doing with the release of the film is

1768
01:23:08,319 --> 01:23:05,840
also releasing the isotopic and

1769
01:23:09,459 --> 01:23:08,329
elemental analysis I'm putting it all

1770
01:23:12,729 --> 01:23:09,469
out on the table

1771
01:23:15,370 --> 01:23:12,739
and I'm saying hey everybody get on this

1772
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:15,380
tell me is this anomalous or is this not

1773
01:23:22,810 --> 01:23:19,760
because we are divided 50/50 I mean

1774
01:23:24,459 --> 01:23:22,820
certainly some of the information the

1775
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:24,469
data that came back without giving it

1776
01:23:27,850 --> 01:23:25,730
all away I want you to watch the movie

1777
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:27,860
this is how I make my living I hope

1778
01:23:35,109 --> 01:23:31,280
right but when you watch the movie some

1779
01:23:39,399 --> 01:23:35,119
of the data came back definitively a

1780
01:23:42,669 --> 01:23:39,409
novelist but what I want to know is what

1781
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:42,679
is the margin of error how can this be

1782
01:23:48,580 --> 01:23:45,679
an error you know and I think there are

1783
01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:48,590
answers to that you know so the quick

1784
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:51,110
you know it comes down to I have no idea

1785
01:23:55,089 --> 01:23:53,210
for ever gonna prove this or not but we

1786
01:23:57,879 --> 01:23:55,099
you know we have a sample we have some

1787
01:24:03,180 --> 01:23:57,889
analysis I want the world to tear it

1788
01:24:06,370 --> 01:24:03,190
apart now when I had Roger on I think I

1789
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:06,380
asked him some questions about what type

1790
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:09,530
of research has been done once these

1791
01:24:17,740 --> 01:24:13,730
have been pulled out and extracted is a

1792
01:24:19,209 --> 01:24:17,750
better word for that and tested do you

1793
01:24:22,029 --> 01:24:19,219
happen to know if they put in some type

1794
01:24:25,209 --> 01:24:22,039
of solution and just put away or do you

1795
01:24:27,490 --> 01:24:25,219
know how their storage is well the

1796
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:27,500
stories if it totally different matter

1797
01:24:36,729 --> 01:24:33,170
but like how I personally had object 17

1798
01:24:40,060 --> 01:24:36,739
analyzed it was a destructive test

1799
01:24:41,979 --> 01:24:40,070
so I had it you know the the object

1800
01:24:45,370 --> 01:24:41,989
itself I worked with Steve Coburn who

1801
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:45,380
was holding the object at the time and I

1802
01:24:53,670 --> 01:24:50,480
had him sent directly to a laboratory

1803
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:53,680
it's an accredited great laboratory and

1804
01:25:01,600 --> 01:24:57,920
they dissolve the part of the object and

1805
01:25:04,990 --> 01:25:01,610
then from that they're able to determine

1806
01:25:07,660 --> 01:25:05,000
a number of things again broad spectrum

1807
01:25:15,070 --> 01:25:07,670
elemental analysis this piece of metal

1808
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:15,080
had over 35 alloys 35 elements yeah it

1809
01:25:21,370 --> 01:25:18,080
was complex now

1810
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:21,380
some were in very very trace trace

1811
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:23,090
amounts I mean the majority of it was

1812
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:27,170
iron but it's these tiny little trace

1813
01:25:30,820 --> 01:25:28,400
amounts that I've been kind of

1814
01:25:33,660 --> 01:25:30,830
investigating and then isotopically I

1815
01:25:38,290 --> 01:25:33,670
was able to have to or pay for two

1816
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:38,300
different isotopes to be analyzed zinc

1817
01:25:47,260 --> 01:25:42,010
and copper zinc was absolutely

1818
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:47,270
fascinating the zinc isotopes were I was

1819
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,480
really fascinated by the results and

1820
01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:52,400
again it's kind of heady stuff like it

1821
01:25:56,770 --> 01:25:54,710
was a huge learning curve for me look I

1822
01:26:01,209 --> 01:25:56,780
was a mixed martial a cleat I was at

1823
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:01,219
jujitsu fighter I was I was not I was

1824
01:26:11,530 --> 01:26:04,790
not analyzing isotopes or elements in

1825
01:26:13,209 --> 01:26:11,540
college you know doing artwork and you

1826
01:26:15,220 --> 01:26:13,219
know so now it was it was a steep

1827
01:26:17,530 --> 01:26:15,230
learning curve but the one thing that I

1828
01:26:21,010 --> 01:26:17,540
did learn from martial arts was you know

1829
01:26:24,340 --> 01:26:21,020
tenacity it was the ability to you know

1830
01:26:27,370 --> 01:26:24,350
fight for something until you get

1831
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:27,380
results and so that really helped me and

1832
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:30,170
so with the analysis it was a

1833
01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:32,810
destructive test but not all of it just

1834
01:26:39,580 --> 01:26:35,840
part of it and we were able to determine

1835
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:39,590
precisely what 35 or 36 different

1836
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:42,320
elements were contained even in trace

1837
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:46,480
amounts within this object object 17 and

1838
01:26:49,630 --> 01:26:48,530
additionally I had two elements that

1839
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:49,640
were analyzed

1840
01:26:54,630 --> 01:26:51,890
and look I took these results to nano

1841
01:26:57,730 --> 01:26:54,640
physicists I took these results to

1842
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:57,740
meteorite specialists the head of the

1843
01:27:04,690 --> 01:27:01,280
meteorite department at UCLA I took

1844
01:27:10,450 --> 01:27:04,700
these results to scientists that worked

1845
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:10,460
on the original nuclear tests out at out

1846
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:13,850
in Alamogordo I took these results to

1847
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:17,090
people that worked at Los Alamos so I've

1848
01:27:22,270 --> 01:27:19,520
done the best I can you know now it's

1849
01:27:27,340 --> 01:27:22,280
kind of up to the public jury to figure

1850
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:27,350
out what to do next I need your help so

1851
01:27:33,370 --> 01:27:30,320
let's let's talk a little bit about nano

1852
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:33,380
man because this is sort of similar in a

1853
01:27:37,690 --> 01:27:35,810
way this is a film you have coming out

1854
01:27:41,170 --> 01:27:37,700
or is it is it out already

1855
01:27:44,620 --> 01:27:41,180
again it's a huge series and then if you

1856
01:27:46,750 --> 01:27:44,630
go to extraordinary beliefs calm and you

1857
01:27:50,380 --> 01:27:46,760
click on like the first you know of the

1858
01:27:54,490 --> 01:27:50,390
12 film properties you'll be able to see

1859
01:27:59,380 --> 01:27:54,500
like a 31 second teaser and a little

1860
01:28:02,650 --> 01:27:59,390
audio clip there are two IMDB sites for

1861
01:28:06,010 --> 01:28:02,660
it basically I have two shorts that are

1862
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,020
done one is called nano man utility fog

1863
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:08,480
and the other one is about something

1864
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:11,450
that he calls the space drive soon

1865
01:28:18,370 --> 01:28:14,090
enough I will release nano man's

1866
01:28:22,450 --> 01:28:18,380
identity he is a military funded nano

1867
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:22,460
physicist who was developing under the

1868
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:26,480
authority of the the Navy funding from

1869
01:28:31,900 --> 01:28:29,120
wright-patterson Air Force Base a

1870
01:28:35,020 --> 01:28:31,910
propulsion technology unlike anything

1871
01:28:38,890 --> 01:28:35,030
that has been seen before and it has

1872
01:28:40,300 --> 01:28:38,900
promised it's quite fascinating and his

1873
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:40,310
whole thing is upscaling it to

1874
01:28:46,930 --> 01:28:43,250
marketability and that sort of thing the

1875
01:28:50,290 --> 01:28:46,940
other film again a short it is called

1876
01:28:54,340 --> 01:28:50,300
utility fog and I'm opening with this

1877
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:54,350
June 25th or 26th it'll be available and

1878
01:29:01,570 --> 01:28:58,010
I'm opening with this film because it

1879
01:29:02,850 --> 01:29:01,580
shows you how a very serious scientific

1880
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:02,860
man

1881
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:07,810
kind of achieved some of his greater

1882
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:10,490
accomplishments in life is because he

1883
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:14,650
was shown materials that modern-day

1884
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:17,890
nanotechnology simply can not build and

1885
01:29:24,370 --> 01:29:21,530
one day he handed me a vial which looked

1886
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:24,380
like water and it was ethanol and he

1887
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:26,960
said the inside this little vial of

1888
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:31,510
ethanol was nanotechnology that is a

1889
01:29:39,190 --> 01:29:33,770
thousand years beyond what we have now

1890
01:29:41,170 --> 01:29:39,200
and I was totally skeptical it looks

1891
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:41,180
like a bottle it looks like a little

1892
01:29:45,970 --> 01:29:43,520
vial of water I'm like you've got to be

1893
01:29:49,870 --> 01:29:45,980
kidding me anything's not only that but

1894
01:29:53,170 --> 01:29:49,880
this was collected at a like like at an

1895
01:29:55,540 --> 01:29:53,180
abduction site or a crop circle like no

1896
01:30:01,660 --> 01:29:55,550
it was UFO related and I was like come

1897
01:30:03,850 --> 01:30:01,670
on man I'm like if you're so sure didn't

1898
01:30:05,950 --> 01:30:03,860
let me analyze it and he goes no problem

1899
01:30:08,440 --> 01:30:05,960
and he hands it to me because not only

1900
01:30:11,050 --> 01:30:08,450
that but you're gonna need a scanning

1901
01:30:14,830 --> 01:30:11,060
electron microscope to do that so let me

1902
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:14,840
just get you into NASA as a visitor and

1903
01:30:20,860 --> 01:30:18,410
let you have an unrestricted film access

1904
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:20,870
pass and see what you find and I hope

1905
01:30:28,150 --> 01:30:23,690
you find what I saw in this sample nine

1906
01:30:31,780 --> 01:30:28,160
years ago and sure enough that's what my

1907
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:31,790
film is about I take this vial of liquid

1908
01:30:39,970 --> 01:30:36,250
and I take it to NASA Ames in NorCal

1909
01:30:41,950 --> 01:30:39,980
California and I have it analyzed for an

1910
01:30:44,350 --> 01:30:41,960
entire day under scanning like a

1911
01:30:49,300 --> 01:30:44,360
microscope and if you want to show the

1912
01:30:51,730 --> 01:30:49,310
rest you have to watch the movie which

1913
01:30:57,610 --> 01:30:51,740
will be released I mean it's not you

1914
01:31:03,130 --> 01:30:57,620
know it will be out there as of the you

1915
01:31:05,470 --> 01:31:03,140
know 25th or 26th of this month Wow

1916
01:31:08,530 --> 01:31:05,480
so you actually were able to go right in

1917
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:08,540
this and do this filming I was actually

1918
01:31:13,630 --> 01:31:11,210
shocked I mean I'm a dude with a beard

1919
01:31:14,610 --> 01:31:13,640
and a bunch of tattoos and you're given

1920
01:31:17,450 --> 01:31:14,620
let me walk in

1921
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:17,460
with a driver's license and get it

1922
01:31:23,730 --> 01:31:20,890
unrestricted right no escort pass to

1923
01:31:26,250 --> 01:31:23,740
film at NASA Ames I mean look I'm a nice

1924
01:31:29,670 --> 01:31:26,260
guy and I'm grateful for it I was just a

1925
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:29,680
little bit shocked and and fortunately

1926
01:31:34,970 --> 01:31:31,450
yeah that that's what happened I mean

1927
01:31:38,070 --> 01:31:34,980
you know nano man yes I called him now

1928
01:31:40,850 --> 01:31:38,080
what was able to set up through this

1929
01:31:43,260 --> 01:31:40,860
really great technician who works on the

1930
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:43,270
electron microscope there and it was

1931
01:31:47,010 --> 01:31:45,610
actually two-foot Foothill College they

1932
01:31:49,260 --> 01:31:47,020
were the ones that have funded it and

1933
01:31:51,630 --> 01:31:49,270
they knew what I was looking for they

1934
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:51,640
were like you have an anomalous alloy

1935
01:31:56,100 --> 01:31:54,610
we're excited to find out more as well

1936
01:31:58,140 --> 01:31:56,110
if there's anything in there so yeah

1937
01:32:01,080 --> 01:31:58,150
unrestricted I mean the film is really

1938
01:32:04,140 --> 01:32:01,090
cool you see this technician just kind

1939
01:32:08,460 --> 01:32:04,150
of like grab his head rock his face

1940
01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:08,470
side-to-side like I don't know how to

1941
01:32:14,610 --> 01:32:12,490
explain what we're seeing yeah it was

1942
01:32:17,730 --> 01:32:14,620
cool it was cool I still I'm not any

1943
01:32:18,930 --> 01:32:17,740
closer to to being able to prove

1944
01:32:21,330 --> 01:32:18,940
anything

1945
01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:21,340
but what I what I can say is there are

1946
01:32:29,250 --> 01:32:24,910
anomalies and it's our duty to research

1947
01:32:30,810 --> 01:32:29,260
them right we have a question up that is

1948
01:32:32,100 --> 01:32:30,820
totally unrelated so we're going to be

1949
01:32:35,700 --> 01:32:32,110
skipping around a little bit here and

1950
01:32:37,740 --> 01:32:35,710
there I love tangents during during a

1951
01:32:40,230 --> 01:32:37,750
recent conversation with Stephen Bassett

1952
01:32:42,510 --> 01:32:40,240
he was on this show wasn't that recent

1953
01:32:46,350 --> 01:32:42,520
but a few months ago he stated that he

1954
01:32:49,020 --> 01:32:46,360
was unaware of any of the congressional

1955
01:32:51,180 --> 01:32:49,030
people that watched his DVDs that were

1956
01:32:55,980 --> 01:32:51,190
mailed out do you know if that's changed

1957
01:32:58,920 --> 01:32:55,990
since then oh gosh I have no clue what

1958
01:33:01,890 --> 01:32:58,930
what anything about that that was not

1959
01:33:05,790 --> 01:33:01,900
something that my partner

1960
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:05,800
Ruben Langdon or myself were involved

1961
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:10,210
with you know yeah yeah the early mail

1962
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:12,330
out I you know honestly that is not

1963
01:33:20,430 --> 01:33:17,290
within the scope of my responsibilities

1964
01:33:23,460 --> 01:33:20,440
my responsibility is to the you know

1965
01:33:26,010 --> 01:33:23,470
original funding members of our campaign

1966
01:33:28,140 --> 01:33:26,020
to make a documentary so my

1967
01:33:30,570 --> 01:33:28,150
responsibility is

1968
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:30,580
to make sure that the Citizen hearing

1969
01:33:38,130 --> 01:33:35,170
was edited and perfectly created with

1970
01:33:40,860 --> 01:33:38,140
Reuben Langdon so that the people could

1971
01:33:45,950 --> 01:33:40,870
get this information and move that tide

1972
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:45,960
forward you know just openly speaking

1973
01:33:53,459 --> 01:33:50,890
anything else is is really to me you

1974
01:33:55,740 --> 01:33:53,469
know if I were to spend my time on it

1975
01:33:58,110 --> 01:33:55,750
it's a fool's errand what what I'm

1976
01:34:01,649 --> 01:33:58,120
trying to do is get the information out

1977
01:34:05,459 --> 01:34:01,659
to the people through these perfectly

1978
01:34:07,950 --> 01:34:05,469
edited DVD sets and also just online Bo

1979
01:34:11,220 --> 01:34:07,960
DS and then from there you know the

1980
01:34:13,950 --> 01:34:11,230
people can champion the rest of it so I

1981
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:13,960
have no knowledge and and really not

1982
01:34:16,860 --> 01:34:15,520
that much interest in the rest of that

1983
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:16,870
I'm just trying to get it out to the

1984
01:34:20,820 --> 01:34:17,170
people

1985
01:34:24,330 --> 01:34:20,830
mm-hmm now what are you thinking in your

1986
01:34:25,500 --> 01:34:24,340
own mind you have like a plan of say

1987
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:25,510
ufo-related

1988
01:34:30,780 --> 01:34:28,239
films that you want to attack and try in

1989
01:34:33,419 --> 01:34:30,790
the future do you have a general plan or

1990
01:34:36,660 --> 01:34:33,429
and along those lines what do you think

1991
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:36,670
of some of the old cases are those just

1992
01:34:43,530 --> 01:34:39,489
too far in the past to really do an

1993
01:34:46,290 --> 01:34:43,540
investigative filming on oh absolutely

1994
01:34:49,550 --> 01:34:46,300
not like they you know I you know look

1995
01:34:53,820 --> 01:34:49,560
the the older cases might be of

1996
01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:53,830
extremely high value I I wouldn't you

1997
01:35:00,180 --> 01:34:56,800
know count them out in in anyway

1998
01:35:03,209 --> 01:35:00,190
there's always something there's always

1999
01:35:06,090 --> 01:35:03,219
a rock that hasn't been turned over you

2000
01:35:09,090 --> 01:35:06,100
know if you are curious enough you will

2001
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:09,100
be driven and it takes an army it's like

2002
01:35:15,450 --> 01:35:11,050
one individual is not going to do it

2003
01:35:17,669 --> 01:35:15,460
right it takes an army so the best kind

2004
01:35:20,010 --> 01:35:17,679
of leads that I've ever gotten are from

2005
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:20,020
my viewers you know it's from people who

2006
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:21,520
write to me through extraordinary

2007
01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:24,010
beliefs calm like it's people who send

2008
01:35:30,300 --> 01:35:27,760
me you know certain tips you know and if

2009
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:30,310
I can kind of get my hooks in them if

2010
01:35:35,729 --> 01:35:33,370
there's any substance to them then great

2011
01:35:40,590 --> 01:35:35,739
so so for me what what I'm looking to do

2012
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:40,600
is I have about six years of content I'd

2013
01:35:45,570 --> 01:35:41,250
say

2014
01:35:48,030 --> 01:35:45,580
that is is really ready to go so

2015
01:35:50,220 --> 01:35:48,040
hopefully you'll be seeing a lot more of

2016
01:35:52,500 --> 01:35:50,230
it I mean I spent a number of days with

2017
01:35:56,209 --> 01:35:52,510
dr. Edgar Mitchell out at his home in

2018
01:36:00,420 --> 01:35:56,219
Florida we talked all about his ideas of

2019
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:00,430
the cover-up as he talks about it of our

2020
01:36:05,610 --> 01:36:03,280
planet being engaged by nonhumans

2021
01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:05,620
I've got his film called the Summoner

2022
01:36:11,580 --> 01:36:09,070
and it's about an ex an ex homeless

2023
01:36:13,709 --> 01:36:11,590
ex-heroin addict this beautiful amazing

2024
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:13,719
individual whose whole life turned

2025
01:36:19,380 --> 01:36:17,170
around the moment that he realized and

2026
01:36:23,190 --> 01:36:19,390
also I realized rather than believed

2027
01:36:28,740 --> 01:36:23,200
because for him it's very true that he

2028
01:36:31,140 --> 01:36:28,750
could summon in quotes UFOs and I'm

2029
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:31,150
doing a piece on cold fusion because

2030
01:36:35,550 --> 01:36:33,010
that would be part of the technology or

2031
01:36:38,370 --> 01:36:35,560
the energy source that's used for these

2032
01:36:40,110 --> 01:36:38,380
crafts the anonymous interview you might

2033
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:40,120
know about who is the whistleblower up

2034
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:41,440
and oh yeah

2035
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:45,310
North America I mean there's a bunch of

2036
01:36:50,220 --> 01:36:47,170
films that I'm working on right now I

2037
01:36:54,180 --> 01:36:50,230
have I have a really good subject for

2038
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:54,190
you and yeah we can I guess I'll talk

2039
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:55,570
about it a little bit on air because

2040
01:37:00,600 --> 01:36:57,520
it'd be kind of unfair me for me to say

2041
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:00,610
that but actually he's been on the show

2042
01:37:05,610 --> 01:37:03,489
a number of times and I've gotten to be

2043
01:37:09,540 --> 01:37:05,620
pretty close friends with him he's an

2044
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:09,550
old-time researcher race Stanford are

2045
01:37:15,060 --> 01:37:12,850
you familiar with him he did he was a he

2046
01:37:18,450 --> 01:37:15,070
wrote a book about the Socorro incident

2047
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:18,460
but he is a fascinating mainstreaming

2048
01:37:24,150 --> 01:37:21,210
and not only that he has some

2049
01:37:26,490 --> 01:37:24,160
unbelievable films I've talked to many

2050
01:37:28,740 --> 01:37:26,500
people that have visited him and are

2051
01:37:32,130 --> 01:37:28,750
absolutely blown away with some of the

2052
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:32,140
things he has and so I'm going to try to

2053
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:35,290
connect you two together that'd be great

2054
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:38,320
yeah I mean the the you know the name

2055
01:37:45,650 --> 01:37:40,890
Zamora incident as they say I mean

2056
01:37:49,890 --> 01:37:45,660
amazing that case was absolutely amazing

2057
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:49,900
and I recently learned that you know

2058
01:37:53,340 --> 01:37:52,480
within the investigations by Project

2059
01:37:58,260 --> 01:37:53,350
Blue Book

2060
01:38:04,020 --> 01:37:58,270
that they actually hid the the the the

2061
01:38:07,110 --> 01:38:04,030
the the truth I'll tell you right now

2062
01:38:10,260 --> 01:38:07,120
that I just tonight I just got an email

2063
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:10,270
from Ray that he is displaying what the

2064
01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:12,610
real insignia was he just sent that to

2065
01:38:19,980 --> 01:38:13,450
me really

2066
01:38:22,170 --> 01:38:19,990
I would he's an interesting guy that you

2067
01:38:23,820 --> 01:38:22,180
would you know say hey has gone deep and

2068
01:38:26,340 --> 01:38:23,830
and vouch for him then hey said in my

2069
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:26,350
way anybody can email me I mean it's not

2070
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:28,480
that hard I'll get the email you know

2071
01:38:36,060 --> 01:38:32,770
just send an email yeah yeah but Ray has

2072
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:36,070
told me now that I was actually heading

2073
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:37,930
down and I had a business deal come up

2074
01:38:43,380 --> 01:38:40,210
but I couldn't go but he told me that he

2075
01:38:43,860 --> 01:38:43,390
wants two days of your time just to talk

2076
01:38:47,010 --> 01:38:43,870
to you

2077
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:47,020
and show you what he has before you make

2078
01:38:52,350 --> 01:38:49,810
before you do anything he wants he wants

2079
01:38:54,780 --> 01:38:52,360
that me personally anyone who's

2080
01:38:58,500 --> 01:38:54,790
interested in really looking into what

2081
01:39:01,080 --> 01:38:58,510
he has needs to be able to have two days

2082
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:01,090
with him well whatever he has better be

2083
01:39:05,660 --> 01:39:02,890
able to time shift and give me those two

2084
01:39:08,970 --> 01:39:05,670
days back if I can't do anything with it

2085
01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:08,980
but I'm feeling you I mean look anybody

2086
01:39:14,130 --> 01:39:10,510
that can't tell me something in two

2087
01:39:16,350 --> 01:39:14,140
minutes and get me engaged I don't know

2088
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:16,360
what to say like you know I am I am in

2089
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:20,050
I've spent years years on cases but you

2090
01:39:25,230 --> 01:39:22,210
know what within two minutes you can

2091
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:25,240
give me the basics if I can do anything

2092
01:39:30,930 --> 01:39:27,730
for you then you should be able to just

2093
01:39:33,930 --> 01:39:30,940
tell me straight up but from that I mean

2094
01:39:35,850 --> 01:39:33,940
look I every case I'm working on at this

2095
01:39:37,620 --> 01:39:35,860
current moment all twelve properties

2096
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:37,630
that you see on extra lives

2097
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:41,650
I spent years on you know I am NOT a

2098
01:39:47,010 --> 01:39:44,290
sound byte investigative journalist I

2099
01:39:49,530 --> 01:39:47,020
get deep I try to find out the truth and

2100
01:39:51,660 --> 01:39:49,540
even if I spent time and I'm talking

2101
01:39:54,060 --> 01:39:51,670
about like a year of my time and it

2102
01:39:57,300 --> 01:39:54,070
turns out that at the end I just don't

2103
01:40:00,120 --> 01:39:57,310
buy it I don't give it any energy I

2104
01:40:02,430 --> 01:40:00,130
don't give it any popularity mm-hmm so

2105
01:40:03,870 --> 01:40:02,440
so but listen your buddy ray like I love

2106
01:40:06,780 --> 01:40:03,880
to meet them love to hear what he has to

2107
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:06,790
say if there's substance to it

2108
01:40:10,710 --> 01:40:08,800
then we'll go from there all right I

2109
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:10,720
will I'll have them get in touch with

2110
01:40:16,980 --> 01:40:14,050
you or set something up but so one of

2111
01:40:19,860 --> 01:40:16,990
the things that comes to mind is are you

2112
01:40:21,930 --> 01:40:19,870
getting funding for these shows or do to

2113
01:40:24,030 --> 01:40:21,940
kick-start or anything like that no I

2114
01:40:27,230 --> 01:40:24,040
you know I kind of refused to do that

2115
01:40:30,690 --> 01:40:27,240
like everything is is done you know just

2116
01:40:33,330 --> 01:40:30,700
self-funded and you know that there are

2117
01:40:35,310 --> 01:40:33,340
limitations to that I mean this is what

2118
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:35,320
I've dedicated a hundred percent of my

2119
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:38,800
time to you know luckily from my jujitsu

2120
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:41,920
past and this sort of thing you know I

2121
01:40:46,710 --> 01:40:44,290
was able to own a property or two and

2122
01:40:49,170 --> 01:40:46,720
that that's helping me but I mean it's

2123
01:40:52,890 --> 01:40:49,180
it's it's come to its the come to Jesus

2124
01:40:54,900 --> 01:40:52,900
moment here like you know I need to

2125
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:54,910
start putting my work out and if I've

2126
01:41:00,240 --> 01:40:57,760
done a good job then people will start

2127
01:41:02,850 --> 01:41:00,250
buying my work you know it's kind of

2128
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:02,860
like the Citizen hearing I don't believe

2129
01:41:07,290 --> 01:41:04,330
in fund raising

2130
01:41:11,190 --> 01:41:07,300
you know just we have a great product go

2131
01:41:13,110 --> 01:41:11,200
rent it if you rent it or buy it then we

2132
01:41:15,180 --> 01:41:13,120
will be able to continue our work

2133
01:41:17,610 --> 01:41:15,190
same thing with extraordinary beliefs

2134
01:41:20,820 --> 01:41:17,620
calm if you go there and you like my

2135
01:41:23,010 --> 01:41:20,830
work rent it that goes to me and then

2136
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:23,020
I'll be able to continue my work I am

2137
01:41:31,380 --> 01:41:25,570
not funded by some billionaire I am NOT

2138
01:41:32,940 --> 01:41:31,390
like and I have to make the choices so

2139
01:41:35,610 --> 01:41:32,950
that's why I have to be discriminatory

2140
01:41:38,130 --> 01:41:35,620
when it comes to what leads that I

2141
01:41:42,330 --> 01:41:38,140
follow but I will take any claim

2142
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:42,340
seriously until I just can't mm-hmm well

2143
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:44,290
I'll tell you one film that I'm excited

2144
01:41:51,660 --> 01:41:48,250
to see is the the John Lear you know

2145
01:41:53,580 --> 01:41:51,670
because he is fascinating the end he

2146
01:41:56,180 --> 01:41:53,590
really is I mean some people say he's

2147
01:41:59,880 --> 01:41:56,190
not so whatever but he's still very

2148
01:42:02,880 --> 01:41:59,890
highly intelligent and I mean how many

2149
01:42:04,220 --> 01:42:02,890
planes did that guy fly okay anything

2150
01:42:07,260 --> 01:42:04,230
right yeah

2151
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:07,270
undoubtedly he is you know

2152
01:42:13,860 --> 01:42:10,210
borderline genius right and that he will

2153
01:42:16,710 --> 01:42:13,870
also you know he will also entertain

2154
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:16,720
that you think he's crazy like he does

2155
01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:18,530
not you know he hasn't

2156
01:42:26,500 --> 01:42:21,199
qualms with that he knows what he knows

2157
01:42:29,649 --> 01:42:26,510
and he doesn't give whatever if you care

2158
01:42:31,959 --> 01:42:29,659
if you believe him but he is one of most

2159
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:31,969
fascinating people that I know and he

2160
01:42:37,810 --> 01:42:34,730
has an incredible range of theories and

2161
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:37,820
beliefs he is an accredited pilot you

2162
01:42:44,799 --> 01:42:40,610
know every FAA certificate you know he

2163
01:42:47,890 --> 01:42:44,809
did fly as a subcontractor like Lazar

2164
01:42:51,279 --> 01:42:47,900
Los Alamos ok he did fly for the CIA

2165
01:42:53,470 --> 01:42:51,289
back in the 70s but more than that the

2166
01:42:55,660 --> 01:42:53,480
guy's just a pioneer and Explorer and an

2167
01:42:57,970 --> 01:42:55,670
open-minded individual and he is

2168
01:43:00,700 --> 01:42:57,980
fascinating everything about him is

2169
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:00,710
fascinating he dug so deep until you

2170
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:03,199
follow he the only reason we know you

2171
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:05,690
followed you like we do today is because

2172
01:43:12,430 --> 01:43:08,570
of John Lear he came forward look

2173
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:12,440
remember the reason why he had any play

2174
01:43:19,930 --> 01:43:15,920
at all with the news station back in the

2175
01:43:22,209 --> 01:43:19,940
day with George's mentor Ned day right

2176
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:22,219
who was this incredible journalist who

2177
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:24,770
kind of like you know helped George

2178
01:43:33,490 --> 01:43:29,119
along the way is because he brought in

2179
01:43:35,950 --> 01:43:33,500
to the news station pictures of the

2180
01:43:38,049 --> 01:43:35,960
stealth fighter before it was

2181
01:43:40,450 --> 01:43:38,059
acknowledged by the United States

2182
01:43:42,669 --> 01:43:40,460
government I mean here's a guy who would

2183
01:43:43,810 --> 01:43:42,679
sit outside of area 51 snapping photos

2184
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:43,820
I'll tell you a little funny story about

2185
01:43:49,450 --> 01:43:47,360
John Lear so there is and he's probably

2186
01:43:52,330 --> 01:43:49,460
hanging out with Jim Goodall or

2187
01:43:56,020 --> 01:43:52,340
something like that and they're looking

2188
01:44:00,640 --> 01:43:56,030
for planes you know and john rolls up to

2189
01:44:02,830 --> 01:44:00,650
area 51 in his pickup and he busts out

2190
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:02,840
his camera and at the time there's that

2191
01:44:06,669 --> 01:44:04,639
there's literally a chain-link fence

2192
01:44:10,540 --> 01:44:06,679
right there not even chain-link I'm

2193
01:44:13,540 --> 01:44:10,550
sorry there's a hanging chain on the dry

2194
01:44:17,589 --> 01:44:13,550
lake bed okay that was the security this

2195
01:44:18,220 --> 01:44:17,599
is 1977 yeah and he takes this he takes

2196
01:44:21,399 --> 01:44:18,230
his camera

2197
01:44:26,890 --> 01:44:21,409
and he does from left to right snap snap

2198
01:44:28,569 --> 01:44:26,900
snap snap but he takes this 51 from the

2199
01:44:30,729 --> 01:44:28,579
ground level

2200
01:44:32,829 --> 01:44:30,739
you have never seen a photo like this

2201
01:44:36,189 --> 01:44:32,839
like that and then he takes it and he

2202
01:44:39,069 --> 01:44:36,199
pulls out of his camera the film and he

2203
01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:39,079
puts it under the ashtray of his car

2204
01:44:43,659 --> 01:44:41,119
because he sees like cars here coming

2205
01:44:47,489 --> 01:44:43,669
across the desert at him he pops in

2206
01:44:50,889 --> 01:44:47,499
another roll of film does the exact same

2207
01:44:53,259 --> 01:44:50,899
set of shots and by the time the car

2208
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:53,269
pulls up to them what are you doing here

2209
01:44:56,949 --> 01:44:55,010
you can't be here and he says well this

2210
01:44:59,349 --> 01:44:56,959
is BLM land I'm on this side of the

2211
01:45:01,719 --> 01:44:59,359
chain and like well you can we're

2212
01:45:03,939 --> 01:45:01,729
confiscating everything you got let me

2213
01:45:05,379 --> 01:45:03,949
just give you my film and he pulls out

2214
01:45:11,229 --> 01:45:05,389
of the camera the film and he hands it

2215
01:45:13,689 --> 01:45:11,239
to him in the ashtray anyway so this

2216
01:45:15,879 --> 01:45:13,699
story came out you know George Knapp has

2217
01:45:18,069 --> 01:45:15,889
used these before I mean they're public

2218
01:45:21,279 --> 01:45:18,079
images now as I'm not like you know that

2219
01:45:23,859 --> 01:45:21,289
I have the original negatives and I have

2220
01:45:26,459 --> 01:45:23,869
they were filming I scan them all to

2221
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:26,469
make sure they're you know completely

2222
01:45:31,509 --> 01:45:29,119
documented for all history but they are

2223
01:45:33,509 --> 01:45:31,519
the most incredible shots of area 51

2224
01:45:36,969 --> 01:45:33,519
I've ever seen because they are from the

2225
01:45:41,589 --> 01:45:36,979
perspective of the lakebed with

2226
01:45:43,540 --> 01:45:41,599
literally a chain that just hangs the

2227
01:45:47,229 --> 01:45:43,550
frame it's amazing

2228
01:45:49,719 --> 01:45:47,239
so John Lear is just an epic individual

2229
01:45:53,979 --> 01:45:49,729
and I cannot wait to start releasing

2230
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:53,989
that footage and again I'm one person

2231
01:45:59,859 --> 01:45:56,449
you know I'm not like a huge production

2232
01:46:02,619 --> 01:45:59,869
company it's just me and I'm trying to

2233
01:46:03,729 --> 01:46:02,629
survive so these films have to come out

2234
01:46:05,739 --> 01:46:03,739
one at a time

2235
01:46:10,569 --> 01:46:05,749
and I hope that they fund my further

2236
01:46:12,609 --> 01:46:10,579
research now when I spoke to John I had

2237
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:12,619
mentioned that I was going to be

2238
01:46:20,379 --> 01:46:15,489
interviewing him the week before my

2239
01:46:21,939 --> 01:46:20,389
podcast came out and someone posed a

2240
01:46:25,029 --> 01:46:21,949
question for me to ask him it was about

2241
01:46:27,369 --> 01:46:25,039
a letter that was hoaxed by him and

2242
01:46:30,099 --> 01:46:27,379
someone else and they the question was

2243
01:46:32,770 --> 01:46:30,109
did he actually write that letter

2244
01:46:34,719 --> 01:46:32,780
it wasn't hoax people are so crazy that

2245
01:46:38,319 --> 01:46:34,729
was the Crill letter right for a letter

2246
01:46:40,869 --> 01:46:38,329
right that they they created it or so he

2247
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:40,879
created it with someone else man people

2248
01:46:45,610 --> 01:46:41,930
just it's

2249
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:45,620
unless I'm wrong it's just people are

2250
01:46:51,850 --> 01:46:49,850
just dis informed I mean man what John

2251
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:51,860
was doing with that letter as I

2252
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:54,290
understand it and again I am open to

2253
01:46:59,830 --> 01:46:56,810
being completely wrong and John would be

2254
01:47:01,870 --> 01:46:59,840
the guy to ask not me okay but from the

2255
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:01,880
way I understand it was he was writing

2256
01:47:10,060 --> 01:47:05,050
an assessment he was trying to explain

2257
01:47:14,410 --> 01:47:10,070
what what his idea is at the time what

2258
01:47:16,690 --> 01:47:14,420
the general concept of ufology was and

2259
01:47:19,630 --> 01:47:16,700
somehow that got turned into he was

2260
01:47:22,150 --> 01:47:19,640
hoaxing letters you know John John

2261
01:47:26,140 --> 01:47:22,160
couldn't hoax anything man you know he's

2262
01:47:28,570 --> 01:47:26,150
transparent you know I make a joke but

2263
01:47:30,340 --> 01:47:28,580
it's like you know these guys couldn't

2264
01:47:32,620 --> 01:47:30,350
keep a secret if their life depended on

2265
01:47:34,870 --> 01:47:32,630
it you know I mean it's just you know

2266
01:47:38,170 --> 01:47:34,880
I've spent time with him he's not trying

2267
01:47:40,810 --> 01:47:38,180
to hoax people life is too exciting and

2268
01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:40,820
fascinating in and of itself there's too

2269
01:47:46,300 --> 01:47:42,880
many mysteries to waste your time

2270
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:46,310
hoaxing people so the best answer I have

2271
01:47:51,460 --> 01:47:49,040
for that was people misinterpreted the

2272
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:51,470
whole point of what he wrote but yeah he

2273
01:47:55,750 --> 01:47:53,210
wrote the the crille letter that was his

2274
01:47:57,340 --> 01:47:55,760
big argument with William Cooper you

2275
01:47:59,380 --> 01:47:57,350
know William Cooper claimed because he

2276
01:48:03,190 --> 01:47:59,390
was a total charlatan and con man

2277
01:48:05,020 --> 01:48:03,200
William Cooper claimed that he read the

2278
01:48:08,260 --> 01:48:05,030
Crill letters when he was in the Navy

2279
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:08,270
bs pulled him aside and said how can you

2280
01:48:13,660 --> 01:48:10,130
say that I wrote that everybody knows

2281
01:48:15,310 --> 01:48:13,670
that so you know if anything that was a

2282
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:15,320
misunderstanding but again you should

2283
01:48:20,830 --> 01:48:17,930
ask the man himself and not me because I

2284
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:20,840
might be misinformed yeah I did I did

2285
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:23,090
ask him it's just I can't I can't

2286
01:48:27,940 --> 01:48:26,210
remember how I asked him or how he

2287
01:48:30,460 --> 01:48:27,950
answered the question actually but he

2288
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:30,470
did he was honest I know whatever it was

2289
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:32,690
he was he was honest I was just looking

2290
01:48:39,190 --> 01:48:35,810
now that was back in December 2012 when

2291
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:39,200
I interviewed him about and he's always

2292
01:48:45,190 --> 01:48:40,490
honest I mean that's the thing about

2293
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:45,200
John is a you know he's a no no BS dude

2294
01:48:50,890 --> 01:48:47,330
you know you know you might not agree

2295
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:50,900
with anything he says but but he's not

2296
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:54,530
trying to hoax you yeah and that was I

2297
01:48:57,580 --> 01:48:55,520
see in the notes here

2298
01:48:59,650 --> 01:48:57,590
was the day after his 70th birthday oh

2299
01:49:02,620 --> 01:48:59,660
yeah I was there that was amazing we had

2300
01:49:04,930 --> 01:49:02,630
a bash man we had a great bash we were

2301
01:49:07,150 --> 01:49:04,940
there that was actually a very special

2302
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:07,160
day because man people came out of the

2303
01:49:12,610 --> 01:49:09,770
woodwork for that to kind of honor John

2304
01:49:14,770 --> 01:49:12,620
and at his house it was a big party and

2305
01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:14,780
I filmed the whole thing and the

2306
01:49:19,930 --> 01:49:17,840
interviews I got that night man that the

2307
01:49:23,380 --> 01:49:19,940
people that came from Lockheed

2308
01:49:25,930 --> 01:49:23,390
skunkworks from just you know aviation

2309
01:49:27,700 --> 01:49:25,940
people that were just in awe of what he

2310
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:27,710
had achieved he's on one of only two

2311
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:29,090
people in the world that got the fly

2312
01:49:32,710 --> 01:49:30,770
under the the Golden Gate Bridge

2313
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:32,720
happened to be because his plane was

2314
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:35,930
about to crash but yeah like 16 world

2315
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:37,610
speed records and the Learjet I mean

2316
01:49:41,890 --> 01:49:40,010
people come just for aviation itself you

2317
01:49:44,710 --> 01:49:41,900
know I was there and the one of the head

2318
01:49:47,020 --> 01:49:44,720
instructors at Nellis Air Force Base you

2319
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:47,030
know just because John asked him to came

2320
01:49:51,220 --> 01:49:49,130
and Buzz the house I mean the windows

2321
01:49:53,410 --> 01:49:51,230
were shaking this plane came right over

2322
01:49:54,730 --> 01:49:53,420
the house it was wild then the other

2323
01:49:58,480 --> 01:49:54,740
thing about John I just want to throw

2324
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:58,490
this out there for you if you go look at

2325
01:50:04,780 --> 01:50:01,040
the trailer for immaculate deception you

2326
01:50:07,770 --> 01:50:04,790
will hear audio that audio which are

2327
01:50:11,950 --> 01:50:07,780
radio calls 505 dreamland dreamland

2328
01:50:15,100 --> 01:50:11,960
those are actual recordings the only

2329
01:50:18,010 --> 01:50:15,110
ones that I know of from area 51 that

2330
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:18,020
John took way back in the day that are

2331
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:22,730
now public record well he did tell me

2332
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:24,650
about the story about when he went out I

2333
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:27,440
think it was him yeah he went out with

2334
01:50:34,630 --> 01:50:30,890
Bob Lazar right to look for UFOs over

2335
01:50:36,490 --> 01:50:34,640
area 51 well very specifically Bob Lazar

2336
01:50:38,140 --> 01:50:36,500
at a time when he thought he was not

2337
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:38,150
going to be called back into work and

2338
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:39,920
probably was a little bit pissed about

2339
01:50:45,130 --> 01:50:42,290
it because of his personal troubles

2340
01:50:47,260 --> 01:50:45,140
right and starting to take people out

2341
01:50:53,440 --> 01:50:47,270
there I think John and you know how to

2342
01:50:55,870 --> 01:50:53,450
the best telescope in town they all went

2343
01:50:59,260 --> 01:50:55,880
out there and on a number of occasions I

2344
01:51:01,120 --> 01:50:59,270
think and and yeah and they were out

2345
01:51:05,140 --> 01:51:01,130
there and you know gene Huff in

2346
01:51:06,780 --> 01:51:05,150
particular with Bob you know they and

2347
01:51:11,190 --> 01:51:06,790
John as well you know they

2348
01:51:14,670 --> 01:51:11,200
saw a disc over Papoose Lake a flying

2349
01:51:18,030 --> 01:51:14,680
saucer glowing orange so much so they

2350
01:51:20,700 --> 01:51:18,040
had to kind of dive behind a car because

2351
01:51:24,450 --> 01:51:20,710
I was gonna explode right at the exact

2352
01:51:26,730 --> 01:51:24,460
time and the exact place that was are

2353
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:26,740
told them it would be there right and

2354
01:51:31,020 --> 01:51:28,480
again that's something that people just

2355
01:51:33,330 --> 01:51:31,030
kind of bypass like that evidence just

2356
01:51:36,210 --> 01:51:33,340
doesn't sit within their theory that Bob

2357
01:51:39,300 --> 01:51:36,220
is a con man and a fraud which is a

2358
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:39,310
ridiculous personal attack still class

2359
01:51:44,370 --> 01:51:41,170
style that you would even say about

2360
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:44,380
somebody you know go to the evidence go

2361
01:51:49,410 --> 01:51:47,170
to this story go to what people say

2362
01:51:51,780 --> 01:51:49,420
don't make assaults against their

2363
01:51:54,330 --> 01:51:51,790
character but anyway that's something

2364
01:51:56,580 --> 01:51:54,340
that's an inconvenient truth for people

2365
01:51:59,520 --> 01:51:56,590
that want to just debunk you know

2366
01:52:04,080 --> 01:51:59,530
anything was Oliver said he knew the

2367
01:52:06,420 --> 01:52:04,090
time and the place that a disc that

2368
01:52:08,820 --> 01:52:06,430
looked like a flying saucer glowing

2369
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:08,830
orange making extreme maneuvers would

2370
01:52:13,380 --> 01:52:11,650
rise up out of a sub base that

2371
01:52:17,700 --> 01:52:13,390
apparently nobody knew about at the time

2372
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:17,710
called s4 at Papoose dry lake explained

2373
01:52:26,940 --> 01:52:22,330
that right and I think Lear said that by

2374
01:52:29,460 --> 01:52:26,950
accident he he kicked the tripod super

2375
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:29,470
super leer style right I mean whatever

2376
01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:31,690
it's a tripod it's not a camera so

2377
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:34,530
whatever but yeah he had a perfect

2378
01:52:38,970 --> 01:52:36,970
perfect sight of it you know through

2379
01:52:41,370 --> 01:52:38,980
through the try it through the you know

2380
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:41,380
telescope and then his buddy wanted to

2381
01:52:48,060 --> 01:52:44,080
see it who remained unnamed somebody

2382
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:48,070
wanted to see it and like his ankle gets

2383
01:52:53,550 --> 01:52:49,810
caught on the tripod and you know you

2384
01:52:56,490 --> 01:52:53,560
move those things a millimeter so Lear

2385
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,500
had a close-up you know visual on it

2386
01:53:00,150 --> 01:52:58,480
apparently but um yeah they saw it on

2387
01:53:01,890 --> 01:53:00,160
multiple occasions I mean that there was

2388
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:01,900
a test fight that was regular that

2389
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:05,410
somehow this guy who people would like

2390
01:53:11,130 --> 01:53:09,010
to pretend didn't have any access to to

2391
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:11,140
the Nellis Air Force Base just knew it

2392
01:53:17,850 --> 01:53:14,370
would be flying you know it's incredible

2393
01:53:20,770 --> 01:53:17,860
An Inconvenient Truth Oh someone was

2394
01:53:24,549 --> 01:53:20,780
asking no okay I guess they were asking

2395
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:24,559
me asking me a question separately sorry

2396
01:53:29,979 --> 01:53:28,010
about that and we have about seven

2397
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:29,989
minutes left and one of the things

2398
01:53:37,029 --> 01:53:33,050
actually it's only three minutes to wrap

2399
01:53:39,310 --> 01:53:37,039
up I was wondering have you are you

2400
01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:39,320
reaching out to anyone or trying to

2401
01:53:45,939 --> 01:53:41,119
reach out to someone I know you

2402
01:53:48,459 --> 01:53:45,949
mentioned before that it was it took

2403
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:48,469
quite a while to get Roger I mean I'm

2404
01:53:52,060 --> 01:53:50,690
sorry for John to take you seriously are

2405
01:53:54,370 --> 01:53:52,070
there other people you've been trying to

2406
01:53:58,029 --> 01:53:54,380
get ahold of that you're having

2407
01:54:00,430 --> 01:53:58,039
difficulty you know at this moment I

2408
01:54:02,370 --> 01:54:00,440
would say no there's nobody that I'm

2409
01:54:06,689 --> 01:54:02,380
trying to get ahold of that I'm having

2410
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:06,699
difficulty what I would say is that

2411
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:10,400
currently I'm the best information that

2412
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:13,130
I'm getting is from people who are

2413
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:16,489
within the United States military in any

2414
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:18,530
of the branches that want to come

2415
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:20,239
forward and they want to tell their

2416
01:54:25,299 --> 01:54:22,730
story either off the record or on the

2417
01:54:28,359 --> 01:54:25,309
record and they can either be active or

2418
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:28,369
not active but that is what I'm truly

2419
01:54:33,609 --> 01:54:30,320
interested in because you know there is

2420
01:54:36,010 --> 01:54:33,619
a stranglehold on the physics of the

2421
01:54:38,290 --> 01:54:36,020
universe by these sub factions of the

2422
01:54:41,470 --> 01:54:38,300
United States military so all I'd like

2423
01:54:43,660 --> 01:54:41,480
to say is reach out to me if you have

2424
01:54:46,810 --> 01:54:43,670
something that you want to tell me just

2425
01:54:51,399 --> 01:54:46,820
email me editor at extraordinary beliefs

2426
01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:51,409
comm that will get to me you are my

2427
01:54:57,819 --> 01:54:54,639
first line of defense is you know

2428
01:55:01,089 --> 01:54:57,829
offense you know learning what's going

2429
01:55:03,879 --> 01:55:01,099
on you the listener yeah yeah I mean

2430
01:55:06,669 --> 01:55:03,889
there are one of the things I I'm always

2431
01:55:09,100 --> 01:55:06,679
puzzled at like for instance the O'Hare

2432
01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:09,110
incident back in Chicago so many years

2433
01:55:13,299 --> 01:55:11,210
ago with all those witnesses that

2434
01:55:17,140 --> 01:55:13,309
clammed up and went away and I always

2435
01:55:19,330 --> 01:55:17,150
think well they probably all we not all

2436
01:55:21,819 --> 01:55:19,340
of them kept their job and you know why

2437
01:55:23,740 --> 01:55:21,829
wouldn't they talk now and that's to me

2438
01:55:25,870 --> 01:55:23,750
I'm hoping that someone will come

2439
01:55:27,970 --> 01:55:25,880
forward on that particular case that

2440
01:55:29,859 --> 01:55:27,980
would be great go investigate each of

2441
01:55:31,540 --> 01:55:29,869
those witnesses I mean you know look

2442
01:55:32,770 --> 01:55:31,550
with a little more funding I would be on

2443
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:32,780
that like you wouldn't believe

2444
01:55:36,100 --> 01:55:34,010
you know but

2445
01:55:37,299 --> 01:55:36,110
you know one day at a time here I'm just

2446
01:55:39,250 --> 01:55:37,309
putting out some of the stuff that I

2447
01:55:42,580 --> 01:55:39,260
already have that is a fascinating case

2448
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:42,590
a very fascinating case that's right

2449
01:55:50,649 --> 01:55:46,610
well one more time you can find out more

2450
01:55:52,810 --> 01:55:50,659
about Jeremy at extraordinary beliefs

2451
01:55:55,930 --> 01:55:52,820
calm did I say that right absolutely

2452
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:55,940
extraordinary beliefs calm and Jeremy I

2453
01:55:59,979 --> 01:55:58,159
got to say it's been a real real

2454
01:56:01,600 --> 01:55:59,989
pleasure talking it's been it's been a

2455
01:56:02,169 --> 01:56:01,610
pleasure thank you so much for having me

2456
01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:02,179
on

2457
01:56:06,010 --> 01:56:04,400
again like everything I'm doing starting

2458
01:56:08,729 --> 01:56:06,020
at least it's like the modern-day

2459
01:56:11,859 --> 01:56:08,739
Twilight Zone except that everything is

2460
01:56:13,649 --> 01:56:11,869
absolutely real myth illusion and

2461
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:13,659
scientific fact kind of merge into one

2462
01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:16,730
and it's an unique portrait of UFO

2463
01:56:22,270 --> 01:56:19,510
reality so please go check it out and be

2464
01:56:23,950 --> 01:56:22,280
communicative you know become part of

2465
01:56:27,370 --> 01:56:23,960
the investigation not just an observer

2466
01:56:29,470 --> 01:56:27,380
right and the one thing I really enjoyed

2467
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:29,480
about you the most is when you when you

2468
01:56:33,069 --> 01:56:32,090
call BS you don't go forward with it I

2469
01:56:35,620 --> 01:56:33,079
really like that a lot

2470
01:56:38,709 --> 01:56:35,630
well thanks again that's it tonight for

2471
01:56:40,450 --> 01:56:38,719
the show everyone if you want to check

2472
01:56:42,399 --> 01:56:40,460
us out next week we'll be here alive on

2473
01:56:44,439 --> 01:56:42,409
the dark matter radio network right here

2474
01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:44,449
at eight o'clock Eastern Standard Time

2475
01:56:48,970 --> 01:56:47,210
on Wednesday I want to thank some people

2476
01:56:52,089 --> 01:56:48,980
for helping out with the show Alejandro

2477
01:56:55,060 --> 01:56:52,099
Rojas for the news our guest of course

2478
01:56:56,950 --> 01:56:55,070
Jerry Korbel Peggy shunning for managing

2479
01:56:59,799 --> 01:56:56,960
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2480
01:57:02,859 --> 01:56:59,809
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2481
01:57:04,540 --> 01:57:02,869
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